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Update? Backlinks updated
Yahoo 1,100,000
steveb




msg:110824
 8:38 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

No new page rank tho.

<edit... there is new pagerank. -fi and -cw seem to be leading the way.>

[edited by: steveb at 9:18 am (utc) on Aug. 8, 2003]

 

Kukenan




msg:110914
 3:18 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Backlinks changing from 19 to 4

:-(

EquityMind




msg:110915
 3:18 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wait until after the update and the toolbar settles. i wouldn't pay attention to PR for the next few days.

EquityMind

zeus




msg:110916
 3:21 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

The only thing you can follow now is the backlinks they usualy dont change anymore, if it has changed ones. The PR, dont think about that before a few weeks

zeus

twilight47




msg:110917
 4:31 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey I love finally having some updated backlinks and finally geting some PR, but why would our dmoz backlink go missing?

rogerd




msg:110918
 4:41 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Twilight47. dmoz has been erratic lately due to the upgrade process. Perhaps they delivered old content or a 404 when Google spidered the page where your link should be.

willybfriendly




msg:110919
 4:57 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

From 14 to 65 displayed backlinks on cw. No change on fi. A couple of days ago the site experienced a minor change in SERPS, some up, some down. PR up from 4-5 at first look this morning. No toolbar where I am now.

Not meant to be a 'me too' post, but rather to give a bit more data to those 'experts' who seem to be able to make sense out of these things.

WBF

markus007




msg:110920
 5:03 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I went from 118 backlinks to 126. I'm only missing 30,000 more backlinks.

I noticed some of my backlinks are now of the form [domain.com...]

AthlonInside




msg:110921
 5:34 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

BackLinks and PR do change.

But SERPs seems to be the same at all. OR should I say, SERPs had already been updated 1-2 weeks ago?!?!?! (remember the one that people refer to a continous minor update?)

ciml




msg:110922
 5:39 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Agreed AthlonInside. Even though the link: results and Toolbar PageRank have taken a while to update; the affect of links, anchor text, etc. has been updated throughout the cycle.

This is the day that people get to draw graphs of PageRank propagation or to see visual indicators of their link hunting efforts. This is not the day to 'update all the results' like in the old days.

twilight47




msg:110923
 5:40 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Twilight47. dmoz has been erratic lately due to the upgrade process. Perhaps they delivered old content or a 404 when Google spidered the page where your link should be.

That would bite. ;)

UK_Web_Guy




msg:110924
 5:47 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not sure if anybody else is seeing this, but IMO google is missing some links.

It's as if they have done a complete re-scrap of links etc and not all are being shown.

I'm not just talking of external links - for example, internal pages that are still indexed, still have PR5 on -cw, are not counting as backlinks on a link:www check.

Anyone else seeing this or is it just me?

Marcia




msg:110925
 5:49 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Links from some sites are missing altogether, and they've been there for ages.

Critter




msg:110926
 5:56 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

SERPs for me are unchanged, so I'm assuming that either 1/ the SERPs have already been adjusted and the backlinks are just showing up; or 2/ the backlinks are showing up and the SERPs are going to adjust accordingly.

Peter

bunltd




msg:110927
 5:58 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing some links missing that have been in place for ages, as well as some new ones that haven't shown up, yet.

More Traffic Please




msg:110928
 6:01 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've also noticed a number of situations where a competitors site and my site will have links next to each other on an external sites page and my competitor is given credit for the incoming link and my site is not. The external page is in the PR4-PR5 range and the links have been there for over 6 months. What's the explanation?

UK_Web_Guy




msg:110929
 6:18 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Glad it's not just me

One of my initial thoughts is that Google have done a complete re-building job of the links - I kinda feel they needed to in some respects, they hadn't been updated visibly for 2 months and even those were way out of date in some cases.

If this theory were to be true, maybe the visible results we are seeing are from a massive amount of work, maybe this is why it's took so long - but that this work is still going on. After all there is a huge amount of data for them to crawl and sync.

Anyone else got any views?

Dolemite




msg:110930
 6:22 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm still not seeing PR for pages/sites that didn't have PR (or didn't exist) in the last update, even though backlinks to these sites have been updated. I'm not complaining since SERPs don't seem affected by a lack of [visible] PR.

Also, I'm seeing an older site (pre-dominic anyway) show a significant increase in the number of internal backlinks. Though the total number of pages has increased as well.

catdad




msg:110931
 6:29 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

After this update we've lost our Yahoo and DMOZ category description in our SERP Listing. We used to have:

Description: Offers logo and website design with online portfolio.
Category: Business > Business Services > ... > Graphic Design > Firms > L

These listings in DMOZ and Yahoo still exist, why would Google drop them?

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:110932
 6:37 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

SERPs for me are unchanged, so I'm assuming that either 1/ the SERPs have already been adjusted and the backlinks are just showing up; or 2/ the backlinks are showing up and the SERPs are going to adjust accordingly.

Critter:

I agree, I think the former is true. I think you will see very little changes in the SERP's, other than the minor ones that we have been seeing.

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:110933
 6:41 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

FYI:

For what it is worth, I am seeing backlinks from as recent as July 28th.

JonR28




msg:110934
 6:57 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was initially very dissapointed to see that I had lost 9 backlinks even tho I have added 82 links, then I realized my main competitor lost 1,300 links, putting him 101 links behind me. Good Job Google!

stuntdubl




msg:110935
 7:10 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

The sky is falling.....the sky is falling......

skipfactor




msg:110936
 8:07 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

SERPs for me are unchanged, so I'm assuming that either 1/ the SERPs have already been adjusted and the backlinks are just showing up; or 2/ the backlinks are showing up and the SERPs are going to adjust accordingly.

SERPs are unchanged for me too on the datacenters w/ the new backlinks. Backlink dancing appears to no longer be a indicator of an update going on, more likely, an indicator that the update is finished instead of starting.

[edited by: skipfactor at 9:27 pm (utc) on Aug. 8, 2003]

Rugles




msg:110937
 8:19 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I too lost a truck load of backlinks.... so did my main competitors.

Hmmmmmm.... back to the drawing board.

ulysee




msg:110938
 8:20 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I believe serps are still going to change after the pagerank/link update to reflect the changes that are taking place today "rolling".

One reason why I think more changes will occur is that I have a site with 66 backlinks with loads of anchor text getting only 30 hits per day from google/yahoo.

steveb




msg:110939
 8:28 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see a major improvement in backlink accuracy, but still a number of oddball errors: two pages linked from third page, only one of the two linked pages show backlinks; navigation bar links to six pages, five show 180+ backlinks, one shows 21 backlinks(!), and the one with 21 backlinks also doesn't show its dmoz/google directory backlinks.

All in all, I would guess that the "rebuilding from scratch" concept has merit, that they decided they finally did have to go public, even though these backlinks have many errors, if only because these backlinks now are a better representation of reality than what was showing.

If we look at this as new bedrock data replacing the February bedrock data, it can't be seen as anything but a very positive, major improvement, but hopefully the next update will have significantly less errors.

(Now... about... updating... the... directory...)

4eyes




msg:110940
 8:44 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've given up worrying about Google's 'view' of backlinks, it been all over the place for a long while.

In fact I'm not that worried about reported page rank either these days - just get the right mix of anchor text from 'decent' sites, and let Google worry about the page rank.

Tamarick




msg:110941
 10:10 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've seen major changes in the SERPS for my main keywords over the past few days. I went from 7 to 8 to 9 to 96... I don't know what is going on....

turk182




msg:110942
 10:54 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Maybe an stupid question, but is there any way to know not only the total backlinks for one specific page of a domain but for the entire domain?

Anyway, it seems that the page rank not showing for pages indexed after April update has been corrected, or at least for me.

Thanks

HayMeadows




msg:110943
 10:56 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm not that worried about reported page rank either these days - just get the right mix of anchor text from 'decent' sites, and let Google worry about the page rank.

Amen 4eyes, that's an understatement. Except for those super competitive keywords <g>.

BigDave




msg:110944
 11:00 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I really don't care that much about the count of backlinks, or even my pagerank. As long as my traffic keeps climbing every month, life is good.

Of course I do check my backlinks to my home page, it is impossible to keep track of backlinks to my internal pages, which are most of my incoming links. The link count is up about 120%, but who knows what criteria they are using to come up with that number. The numbers jumped around before all the changes, why should they settle down now.

As for PR, I am more interested in the PR of the sites that I would like to have link to me, than the PR of my own site. I'm at PR6, and will probably make it to PR7 someday, but PR6 to PR7 is a long haul, and I doubt that I will get there till next year, at the earliest. I'll actually start up IE next week and go looking around a little bit to see how the PR is looking. It would be nice if a couple of second level files are up to PR6.

What I am far more concerned with is the number of internal pages that are in the index, and getting the deep links.

More pages = more content = more traffic.

Deep links can easily boost a content page from PR2 to PR4. And a PR4 content page can bring in a lot of traffic on lots of keyword combinations.

As there are only 20 more of my pages in Fritz than there are pre-Fritz, I don't expect to see any real change in traffic.

Freshdeepbot is making the updates a non-issue for me. And judging from how slow this thread is growing, I would guess it is the same for most other people.

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