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Google same site links showing backwards
internal pages showing backwards on some sites
TomJones

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Msg#: 15938 posted 5:45 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm using the backwards links function of the Google toolbar on my competitors pages to determine how they got their ranking. I've noticed that many of the top pages get internal (same site) pages listed as backwards links. As you move farther down (to me) the sites do not get backwards linked internal pages.

I use full addresses on my <a href page links (http://etc) rather than local root. I'm assuming most of the other sites are using DHTML, Flash, etc., links that are not read by the engines. Is there a reason why some sites internal pages are listed as backwards links? Is it very beneficial?

Thanks!

 

ILLstyle

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Msg#: 15938 posted 6:43 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think google includes internal backlinks if that page on your site has a high PR I think over 3.

[edited by: ILLstyle at 7:56 pm (utc) on Aug. 8, 2003]

Imaster

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Msg#: 15938 posted 7:01 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is there a way to see only the external backward links?

expat

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Msg#: 15938 posted 7:12 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm also seeing the same, internal backlinks on my competitors site, but none on mine. I have PR3, competitor site has PR2

JonR28

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Msg#: 15938 posted 7:36 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here is how to get your internal backlinks to show on google, altho I don't think it helps because... they are internal...

Each of your content pages needs a link back to your homepage that is DESCRIPTIVE not just "Home". Google evaluates the word Home and thinks there is no relavence to your website. The best way I have found to do this is to make your logo a link back to your index and have some descriptive ALT text. I had this for years but never put in alt text. When I put in some descriptive alt text all of my internal pages showed up as backlinks! Magic!

Also these internal backlinks were PR0's that showed up in Google

TomJones

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Msg#: 15938 posted 8:24 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't know about that. I have descriptive alt and title tags for my internals. I use keywords and word them as I would inbound links from external sites. I've done this on several of my sites without getting backwards links on Google.

expat

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Msg#: 15938 posted 8:50 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

JonR28,

You could be right, my competitors site uses images with alt text for "home" on his internal pages.

As you say, it doesnt make any difference to PR, but its still interesting.

HitProf

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Msg#: 15938 posted 10:31 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Imaster: link:www.domain.com -site:www.domain.com

Jon, Tom: alt and title tags don't seem to be indexed anymore, at least title tags for internal pages seem to be useless now.

ILLstyle

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Msg#: 15938 posted 11:06 pm on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

still index my titles and alts tags

Imaster

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Msg#: 15938 posted 5:29 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

HitProf,

link:www.domain.com -site:www.domain.com doesn't seem to be working. For a site that shows around 5000 backlinks, the above format shows just 2 external backlinks (I know there are more). For another site it is showing 0 results.

Is that format working for you?

Imaster

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Msg#: 15938 posted 9:48 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Anyone has the answer?

bwelford

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Msg#: 15938 posted 10:06 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Try "www.domain.com" -site:www.domain.com

Barry Welford

takagi

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Msg#: 15938 posted 10:14 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

The search

link:www.webmasterworld.com -site:www.webmasterworld.com

gives the same SERP as

link.www.webmasterworld.com -site:www.webmasterworld.com

and

"link www webmasterworld com" -site:www.webmasterworld.com

That is because the query commands

  • link:
  • info:
  • related:
can not be combined. If you try to do so, the command will be interpreted as a word to be found.
HitProf

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Msg#: 15938 posted 10:46 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Imaster,
Google never shows all backlinks. The form I suggested filters out all internal backlinks but doesn't add the ones they didn't show anyway.

You can try Alexa backlinks (although not yet updated) or a search for your website name as text in Google.

takagi

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Msg#: 15938 posted 11:51 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

The form I suggested filters out all internal backlinks but doesn't add the ones they didn't show anyway.

I would like to see one SERP where the form you suggested really works in the way you explained. As can be seen in message 13, I'm convinced the link-command cannot be combined with other commands/options/etc.

Imaster

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Msg#: 15938 posted 12:48 pm on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google never shows all backlinks.

Yes, I know, and I am interested only in seeing the ones which Google is showing, coz I belive they are above a certain PR limit.

I'm convinced the link-command cannot be combined with other commands/options/etc.

I tend to agree with takagi on this. I am starting to feel that there is no method to see only the external backlinks for a site. Is that true?

My main problem is that Google shows only 1000 results. One of my competitor sites has around 2000 backlinks in this update and I wish to follow them. If I could somehow filter out the internal backlinks, I would be able to explore the maximum of those sites. Any ideas on how I can achieve this?

takagi

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Msg#: 15938 posted 1:07 pm on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Go to AllTheWeb and search for

+link.all:www.example.com

In the SERP you can see all pages known to AllTheWeb that point to the specified site (home page and sub pages). To exclude internal links, search for

+link.all:www.example.com -site:example.com

AllTheWeb shows up to 4000 pages in the SERPs! Please do realize that Google might know more/other links than AllTheWeb.

claus

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Msg#: 15938 posted 2:03 pm on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks takagi, that was a very nice post :) :)

In my case it confirmed that the G backlink count for my site was less than 50% for the most inclusive search method:

Querystring: "www.example.com"

and that the Google "link:www.example.com" shows just around 1%

/claus

HitProf

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Msg#: 15938 posted 11:11 am on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think you are right takagi, I overlooked something.

I tried the link: -site: combination with Webmasterworld and I got a few results (which puzzled me).

A closer inspection reveales that this command is actually the -site: operator at work, searching for the text link:url. Sorry.

There are 2 variations of the link: command. One looks like link:jn18yRfxWN0J:www.webmasterworld.com/ . This is the one you get after searching for the url and then clicking on 'link to'.

The other variation is the simple link:url which gives the same results. This is the one I used to get those reults in combination with -site:.

Imaster, you could use 'contain the term' to reveal more links, but that'a lot of work I'm afraid :(

g1smd

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Msg#: 15938 posted 10:42 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

For a site new in early May some strange things have happened.

For months the link: command showed no results and site was PR0. The site is still PR0 now.

The inurl: command listed every page of the site as well as several pages from other sites and directories (including an ODP clone, Joe Ant, and a Joe Ant clone) that linked to the site.

A few weeks back (or more?), the link: command started showing links from two other sites that linked to this one. Those links were in place very soon after the site originally went live. The link: command still didn't show any of the more recent links that I know exist out there. It didn't even show any of those that it already know about and had previously shown when using the inurl: command.

At least a week ago, the inurl: results changed such that only pages from the site itself were listed, and still remains that way.

In the last few days the link: command on cw and gv has suddenly started listing all of the internal pages of the site, and a link from the ODP from late May. It does not list the other links that it had been previously showing with either the inurl: or the link: command.

There has been an update of some sort but the data is still incomplete or broken.

ses4j

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 15938 posted 11:00 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I disagree with JonR28, I have exactly what he describes: a nav bar that's only text and describes the home page as 'Home'. And my site has internal backlinks listed with link: queries. It might be a new thing with the current update though, I have a new site.

Scott

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