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Is this the Big G Reshuffle
Could this be the up date

 9:36 am on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Seing serious flux on DC's for our major keywords, new appearances from unknown sites. serious drops in rankings for some others.

Certainly the biggest flux in the last 6 weeks or so.

But backlinks are staying static

Could this be it.



 1:48 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Nope- even GoogleGuy said he wasn't seeing new Serps as of today.


 9:41 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Backlinks have been changed in the last couple of days, on cw and gv at least.


 9:48 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Nope- even GoogleGuy said he wasn't seeing new Serps as of today.

Our site today got it's other dmoz listing clocked in google (in the sense that it's dmoz description appears now in the SERPS) and we've risen a couple of places, where it now seems stable.

Whether the two are related, I don't know.

But it's definitely a "change" in the SERPS for the keywords I check, although ours is the *only* site to have moved, the ones above us just got put below us.


[edited by: trillianjedi at 9:56 pm (utc) on Aug. 10, 2003]


 9:56 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)


I just fell to #38 from #3 on the most critical SERP on -sj and -dc. And, some other SERPs are just whacked. I won't panic yet, but something seems up.


 10:09 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

We're seeing it too. Went from #13 to #39 since Saturday on our primary 2 word keyword but the same on 3 words.
5/7 we had 404 BackLinks and a PR 6
5/22 200 BL PR6
6/20 166 BL PR5
and stable ever since
as of today 8/10 we now have a
149 BL and Graybar

And everyone was claiming the reduced BL's was a result of a failed crawl. Hah!

Oddly, it's resembling what happened to us on Yahoo about 6 months ago. We were suddenly excluded altogether on our primary competitive keyword but still high on the others. Perhaps a new filter for too high of a keyword density?


 10:21 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Try and check if allinanchor:keyword is hosed. In the case of my site, looks like the problem is that Google is having problems merging the www subdomain and root, which point at the exact same data. It is root that is now at #38, where as before the home page was at #3 with the www. Looks like a return of what was broken after Dominic. However, this may not be an actual update; or if so the update has a while to go.

On the other hand, my site could just be doomed. :(


 12:28 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

GG has effectively said the shuffle (for now) is over and that we are on a rolling update algo, not a static one (so no more major dances). Sort of reminds me of a line dance these days; everyone eventually turning a circle involving sessions of clapping, turning to the left / right and then stamping their feet.

Interent Yogi

 1:55 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Since we are on a rolling update algo I guess different factors will kick in at diffrent times, such as on page changes will show up in 3-5 days Internal linking structure perhaps a little longer. What about external links any one one to take a pot shot at the time they would take. Is external anchor text taken into account even if they are not showing in backwards links?

edited typo


 2:37 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

GrinninGordon - "GG has effectively said the shuffle (for now) is over and that we are on a rolling update algo, not a static one (so no more major dances)."

Please link to the forum where Gooogle Guy states we are on a rolling update.


 2:41 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sure lazyz :-)



 3:51 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Although new pages are being added all the time and don't seem to be sticking to a schedule, in the last few days there has been an update of backlinks and PR. Not much change in the serps for me because of it, but I'm sure others may be noticing more effect.

Considering the PR or backlinks haven't been updated for about 6 weeks, I think it's safe to say that this is an update (albeit not the same as updates used to be).

On a side note, I noticed a backlink from my WW profile - I didn't know that a CGI redirect could still manage to count as a backlink :-0


 4:05 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)


Googlebot spiders this place a lot. So if you want to get a new domain in the index in a hurry, put that domain in your personal profile here and make sure you post a lot of messages ;-)


 4:59 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

yep, grinningordon.. I probably didn't notice the backlink before because I wasn't over the 100 posts mark last update maybe, but I didn't really expect it to register because it was a CGI redirect. I changed my profile domain to a new one just launched on friday and it is already in the google serps, so hey, I'm not complaining :-)

More discussion in the 'Update Fritz' thread: [webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: ciml at 11:15 am (utc) on Aug. 11, 2003]

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