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.CO.UK site with pounds, .COM with dollars = duplicate content?
any prior experience with this scenario?
alpine

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Msg#: 15676 posted 4:18 am on Jul 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I searched the archives, and many people have asked what level of site duplication yields a penalty from Google. Most of these questions were regarding two .com domains.

We're about to launch a UK version of our site (.co.uk instead of .com), and the only thing different will be that the prices will be in pounds.

Aside from guesses on the percentage of content that triggers the filter, does anyone have any prior experience with this scenario?

 

SuzziJ

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Msg#: 15676 posted 12:10 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, and dont do it. I had a client do it without my knowledge and they took a bit sting from Google.

Either set the one site to sell in both £ and $'s or set one site not to be spidered.

Dont fall fowl of duplicate content....the hassle would be too much.

anallawalla

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Msg#: 15676 posted 12:33 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

It can't be too hard to change the content of one site enough to not make it a clone.

US spellings, for one. The <HTML lang=xx> attribute (en vs en-us) is another. Phone numbers in UK format for one, in international format for the other. Rearrange/rephrase some text. etc

If you can't, then using robots.txt to exclude dupe content in one site is a good option.

Don't link the two sites together. Use two different hosts.

uksports

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Msg#: 15676 posted 9:41 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Alpine

I have the same scenario and have not run into problems with Google over this issue - what eventually happens is that the co.uk is prevalent on the UK and European Google sites and the .com elsewhere although in the short term duplicate results do appear for a while.

To suggest otherwise is ridiculous - you are not doing anything wrong by having a .co.uk site with GBP pricing and a .com site with USD pricing.

Ideally, as per anawallas' suggestion, you should put them on different hosts to be sure, but we don't as both sites use the same backend database.

What you are doing is a commercial reality, nothing more.

victor

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Msg#: 15676 posted 10:16 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

What you are doing is a commercial reality, nothing more.

And that's the basic issue. Google's terms of service state:

The Google Services are made available for your personal, non-commercial use only. You may not use the Google Services to sell a product or service, or to increase traffic to your Web site for commercial reasons, such as advertising sales.

So whether they will duplicate a site that is purely for commercial reasons is an interesting research topic. Try it. Find out, let us know. But don't base a business plan that is meant to pay your mortgage on a guess.

uksports

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Msg#: 15676 posted 10:31 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Victor - As has been pointed out here before, basing any business plan on the free Google listings is suicide - I was answering a specific question based on the experience I have with this scenario - try and avoid the cheap shots please.

As for the Google TOCs, if they were to implement this particular section, then it would be commercial suicide for Google themselves - my understanding of that particular clause is to prevent lawsuits based on the premise that a commercial enterprise may decide that they have suffered losses based on changes that Google make to their service.

Sometimes you have to take in the bigger picture and read between the lines......

sem4u

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Msg#: 15676 posted 12:26 pm on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Amazon's UK & US sites are almost identical and they don't seem to have a problem.

yonnermark

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Msg#: 15676 posted 4:06 pm on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm facing this scenario too.
I have domain1.com that is UK-based and doing well and i've just created (but not yet "launched") a domain2.com version with USD prices. Content will be very similar. I've got the UK site on a UK server and the US site on a US server.

My UK site is not eligible for froogle but my US site should be.

olof_bailey

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Msg#: 15676 posted 5:03 pm on Aug 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Hi,

At the end of last week I spoke to Neil Palmer and Natalie Diamond at google.co.uk regarding a number of copppyright issues at the end of the conversation Natalie suggested that we contacted u regarding our other little problem.....

Sorry but u may need 2 read this twice….. we are rather confused…..

We run a small eCommerce operation out of the UK selling video and animation products. I have recently taken over the webmaster role and discovered that we (widget2.net) had an excellent world wide ranking on the majority of our key products. However in the UK (google.co.uk – UK filter) we did not exist, in order to remedy this it was suggested that we put up an identical site widget.co.uk .We are now however worried by the effect the duplication may have on our ranking as well as keen to keep the old site up so as to retain the visitors coming through both from both yourselves and from other historical links.

Previously onevideo.net had a masked redirect to oneanimation.net and it was onevideo.net that we advertised in magazines. During the transfer my technical guy also transferred the dns of onevideo.net to widget.co.uk so they share the same site. The second problem was basically will we get penalised for this? On this space we basically have one site in terms of ip’s but they can be accessed from both sets of addresses do u see these as 2 separate copycat sites or do u go down to the ips and see the one.

Hope u are still with me wherever that is as u can imagine somewhat confused….

If we will not be penalised for sharing dns addys transferring the oneanimation dns’ across to the OneVideo space would be the perfect solution…..

In Short:

SPACE 1

*oneanimation.net (currently accepting visitors but missing out on the UK only searches)

SPACE 2

*widget.co.uk

*widget.net (both using same dns’ – will we be penalised)

What should we do….

- send away the crawlers – but from which one

- can u press a magic button and make the nightmare left to me go away ;)"

Sent this 2 google support.... waiting on responce - will post u guys when i get it.......

l8er ;)

yonnermark

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 15676 posted 6:40 pm on Aug 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanls :)

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