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when will the page ranks be updated
mnm_pistha




msg:213814
 6:38 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

since google has started rolling updates then will the page ranks be updated.i have new sites that were launched less than 4 weeks ago that have been indexed and are appearing in search results.but all of them are showing page rank 0.when will they be updated with the real pr.

 

dnbjason




msg:213815
 8:44 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hopefully they'll update the backlinks and PR any day now.
Keep your fingers crossed.

ct2000




msg:213816
 9:20 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree I got a feeling its going to be very very soon ...

allanp73




msg:213817
 9:26 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't think Google has switched to continuous update yet.
I think it is still monthly, so pr won't be updated for a while after the next update.

mipapage




msg:213818
 9:41 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't think Google has switched to continuous update yet.

Fwiw, we've had a series of about sixteen pages added to Google for our site roughly around the 10th. They were spidered on the 5th. These dates were post Esmerelda, and not fresh. They have been stable and driving great traffic to our site since. (Thanks WebmasterWorld!)

Yesterday we had a couple of pages updated and no freshtags were present. Time will tell for these ones.

alxdean




msg:213819
 9:42 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think it will be sometime before 2005, wish to bet?
I'm too tired of this rolling (over-and-going-to-sleep)update to even try to be enthusiastic.

LogicMan




msg:213820
 9:45 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I believe PR has been changed recently (at least some) but the page rank on the tool bar is not showing the change. Here's why I believe it.

I had a page that was a PR2. on May 9th, I got a link from a PR6 page, which all links from it have a PR5 or higher. Nothing has changed on that page (links or content) and the page appeared in all search results about where I would have expected a PR2 to be. Then sometime between July 10th & 15th, it jumped to page 1 on two search terms I track which is about where I'd expect it to be with a PR5. The tool bar still shows PR2.

Therefore, I believe the 'real' PR for the page is 5 but just not showing on the tool bar.

Imaster




msg:213821
 10:09 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I hope they update it soon. I see different results several times, though my backlinks & PR remain the same as it was a month back.

Hardwood Guy




msg:213822
 11:34 pm on Jul 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I kinda gave up on trying to improve the PR4 I'm at and concentrated on other worthwhile stuff. I agree with mipapage...thanks Webmasterworld! I don't know what the devil is going on but traffic has picked up considerably over the last 2-3 weeks...I don't pay for any search engine stuff. It didn't hurt to re-read through some of Brett's tips published over two years ago and implement some missed goodies.

jady




msg:213823
 2:24 am on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

We launched a site 10 days ago, put one link pointing to it and its ranking #1 for 2 good keywords (that are not all that competitive) - I must say I am surprised at this new speed!

Are the days of named monthly updates over? Or is freshbot just doing a REALLY good job even picking up brand new sites.. In any event, thanks Google!

rfgdxm1




msg:213824
 4:04 am on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Based on substantial fluctations of established pages in the SERPs since Esmeralda, I am convinced Google is now doing continuous updates. Everflux shouldn't have cause this much movement between updates of old pages that hadn't changed content. This isn't just freshbot action.

kmarcus




msg:213825
 4:13 am on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

the only changes i have noticed in PRs lately is the reduction of PR's of competing search engines. Looks like thye just took one point off for other several of the other major search engines/portals Even yahoo is now a 9 according to the toolbar. talk about tryign to styfle competition.

dgdclynx




msg:213826
 4:52 am on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have had about 25 files indexed in the past fortnight and it doesnt look like Freshbot indexing, more like Deepbot. But I am waiting for the PR update.

doc_z




msg:213827
 9:32 am on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

So far I haven't seen any hint for a continuous update of PR. I neither saw an update for the ToolbarPR nor for the back links shown for the link command (It is likely that these data are correlated.)

A reason for the behaviour described by LogicMan as well as larger fluctations might be that anchor text is continuously updated. However, this doesn't mean necessarily that PR is updated.

dnbjason




msg:213828
 9:49 am on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

A reason for the behaviour described by LogicMan as well as larger fluctations might be that anchor text is continuously updated. However, this doesn't mean necessarily that PR is updated.

I have seen this on one of my websites. I changed the anchor text on about 50 pages that link to us, that Google has already found and I went from page 3 to page 1 about a week and half ago.

allanp73




msg:213829
 2:50 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I would like to hear a definitive answer on whether Google has actually switched to a rolling update or continuous update. Is Brett or Googleguy willing to comment?
I still have seen no sign of any change in update style.

dazz




msg:213830
 3:11 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

There is still going to be updates at the moment as in when the number of backlinks change.

I would only admit to a rolling update when backlinks are always changing from day to day as new links are counted.

Herenvardo




msg:213831
 3:37 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

mnm_pistha,
Have you thought that maybe, even you have good SERPs, your PR is still 0?
We must remember that the toolbar does not give a real PR value, but your position in a scale from 0 to 10. I won't enter now about how this scale is set (you can look for this in other posts). Simply think about this: a page can have a very low pagerank and great optimisation in all other factors. the page can have a PR lower even the needed to reach a 1 in the toolbar scale. but the ranking also depends on other things, like anchor text, where the page is wonderful. so then, with PR 0, the page is getting good results, and google might have updated your PR but it is still 0 even when you can get good results.
Remember PageRank is important, but it is NOT all! :)
Thanks for reading my elucubrations XD
Herenvardo

markdidj




msg:213832
 7:20 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

My PR has gone down to 0 AGAIN, it only happens when I install the G toolbar and visit my site.

I have validated the css and html, so shouldn't it be going up? Well, they've got a good name eh? Google, I've gone googly-eyed from watching my bouncing site.

Also, am I banned from starting a new thread, I get this message on every attemt for the last few months;

"status:
On Hold: This discussion is temporarily on hold pending administrative review.
This simply means there was something about the post worth reviewing before public viewing.
It could also mean work is being performed on the thread or forum."

ga_ga




msg:213833
 8:15 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

What are we talking about here.. PR0 = white-bar or PR0 = grey-bar? I have a new site up with great listings, #1 for the main phrase, but the PR indicator has just gone from grey to all-white. I'm confused now. Is this just PR0 while some kind of updating is going on or is it, as I remember it used to be, an indicator of a penalty?

- same here about the on-hold message BTW

caine




msg:213834
 8:18 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

There is something seriously moving at the plex, but what it is hard to tell. I have also seen white bars for #1 listings in the serps, not even bothered by it, if something were going to happen it would have already.

ga_ga




msg:213835
 8:26 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hell's bells what to do. I just panicked, deleted the new page, pored over it for anything spammy, revalidated it, renamed it, the works.. emailed all the nice folks that linked to me to change the url

Sod it it can stay as it is now :( I'm not remailing all my linkers to say as you were guys..

As a trainee pilot my instructor kept telling me to look out the window instead of chasing the gauges for the right numbers. Get things looking right through the big glass thing in front of your face he said, and all the little dials will magically start reading right all on their own.

Methinks the same applies to seo!

caine




msg:213836
 8:37 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Very true, its the big picture, that is worth watching, not the small intricacies, as your interpretation of them can lead to you messing up, always worth keeping an eye on the intricacies, but watching the view from a far.

Gus_R




msg:213837
 11:34 pm on Jul 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

What about pr show as green bar?
I revised serps for my two words phrase, my site is number 43 over 730000 results (with pr0), beating sites with pr6:

#40: pr3
#41: grey
#42: grey
#43: pr0 >> me
#44: pr1
#45: pr1
#46: grey
#47: pr3
#52: pr5
#54: pr4
#62: pr6 >> this must be wrong

Can I trust toolbar?

Gus

worker




msg:213838
 12:34 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Related question (I think).

About a month or two ago, the backlinks for my site (indentified when a 'link:http://www.domain.com' search is done) dropped to 8 from a couple hundred.

I haven't been too concerned because of all the issues related to the changes Google has been going through for the last few months.

Here is the question, 'Should I be concerned that the search above is still only showing 8 links?'

I am asking this now because Googleguy recently stated that all backlinks should now be pretty much up to date.

Any comments?

twilight47




msg:213839
 12:46 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can I trust toolbar?

No.

pchristensen




msg:213840
 2:07 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've been (impatiently) waiting for a PR myself as I'm getting weary of seeing nothing but a white bar. While waiting, I've been getting as many non-reciprocal links as I can from relevant, high PR sites.

BUT -- The real mystery is when will Google synchronize its directory with DMOZ? We're now going on something like four months or more since Google last synched-up with DMOZ's directory. I'm now listed in DMOZ and feel like I'll never get a decent PR until Google acknowledges teh DMOZ entry. In my category alone, 20 new sites were added in DMOZ since last April and not a single one shows up in Google's directory...

-Paul

ikbenhet1




msg:213841
 2:11 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yah, the pr is no good for me as well.
Got a recently banned site with a pr2.

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