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Buying text links on high PR sites
Google's view?
johnser




msg:158497
 8:39 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just saw in another thread, a senior member stating that "Maybe you got reported for buying PR..."

Is it possible to be reported for this and why would G penalise you? How can it tell the difference between legit text ads & ads bought solely for PR?

Has anyone come across feedback from Gguy as to how they view a site which has 1,000 (or 100K) backlinks from PR6/7/8 pages?
TIA
J

 

SoleDrag




msg:158498
 6:07 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've NEVER understood this either. How in the world can Google know if you are buying PR, or just paying to have the link on that particular site for traffic? They can't read minds.

I would understand if the site ADVERTISED they were selling PR, but not many do that. Can anyone exlplain what I'm missing?

Shak




msg:158499
 6:13 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Heini once made a 2 line statement on when buying a text ad turns into buying pagerank.

cant seem to find it right now, sure somebody will bring it up.

As for getting reported, quite possible, but have you thought of reversing the issue, and Google found the site selling the pagerank and worked from there.

Shak

Jenstar




msg:158500
 6:17 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

The tip off might be if you have many links listed as "sponsored" or "featured" on completely unrelated sites. If your site is on apples, links from sites on oranges, watermelon, potatoes, juice, and gardening might not raise any flags.

But if your site is on apples, and you have many of these links from sites on car sales, wedding dresses, hockey sticks, bowling balls, and an ER fan site, those are not targeted whatsoever, and the question is raised as to why you are paying for advertising on completely unrelated sites, where the buyers of apples typically don't hang out. The likely answer is that you were buying those advertising spaces for the PR value alone.

bokesch




msg:158501
 6:28 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

jenstar, thats the most logical way i see them being able to detect it.

Jenstar




msg:158502
 6:35 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think that is why some are so noticeable, and you know the only reason for the links are for the PR value alone. But in many industries, it can be difficult to find links with high PR values on related sites.

Shak does bring up a good point, that maybe they found the site selling PageRank. If you plan to buy a text link on a high PR site, make sure they aren't blatantly advertising it as selling PR.

antmcd




msg:158503
 6:38 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think is pretty hard to distinguish, if someone has a legit text ad or an ad bought solely for PR. personally I think attempting to buy PR is ridiculous. I encourage my clients to boost their own PR, and link with relevant sites, which have a similar or greater PR, then them. the foremost objective should be to, draw targeted visitors to your site and conversely be able to accomplish the same for your linking partner.

TravelMan




msg:158504
 6:42 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I know of a brand new domain in the serps that has just 10 backlinks, 2 of which are pr 8's .

The site is doing very well on a variety of verycompetitive widget region search terms. All pages on the domain have a white bar.

I cannot prove whether or not the domain in question bought these links for their PR value, neither can google.

Another reason to dump the green bar methinks.

MrSpeed




msg:158505
 6:50 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Heini once made a 2 line statement on when buying a text ad turns into buying pagerank.

Though I didn't agree it went something like:
"Advertise Here" - buying an ad
"Buy A Link" - pagerank

Shak




msg:158506
 6:54 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

[webmasterworld.com...]

Since when does selling text link advertising become selling PageRank?

Since prices are determined by pr and number of links, not impressions and size.

Shak

SoleDrag




msg:158507
 7:26 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Jenstar

It is a piece of cake for me to buy a nice text link at a related site if I wanted to. And I still see no way that Google could have a problem with it. Whatever my real intentions are.

Jenstar




msg:158508
 7:35 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

It is a piece of cake for me to buy a nice text link at a related site if I wanted to.

That is the key. It is on unrelated sites where it could raise a flag.

shurlee




msg:158509
 7:38 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes. DO NOT TRY TO BUY TEXT LINKS ON HIGH PR SITES!

That is my adivice.

Just keep sending 50 to 100 emails everyday to every site you can find that has a PR of 2 or higher and try to "trade" links. That's the smart way to do it. That way you're not artifically inflating PR and Google will love you for doing it the right way. It may take several months or maybe even a year or two but paying for what you want is obviously wrong. Now it would also seem that selling something you have that someone is willing to pay you for is wrong too. DON'T DO IT! Just send those emails and wait.

If you do decide to buy advertising from someone, make sure you are not artifically inflating anything by insisting it be in a graphic with a tracking url and with several question marks in the url. Also, try to find the page on the site with themed traffic but as little PR as possible. Anything else just doesn't make any sense.

Oh yeah, and Google will love you. Eventually. Right?

I certainly hope you all take my advice. Selling phentermine without PR is a real trick. But if you are crazy enough to try to "artifically inflate" PR, at least make sure you do it on a site that is totally unrelated to yours, make sure it is listed right below a line of text that says "SPONSORED LINK", and make sure it is on a PR9 site that there are only about 120 in the world to have to check. That way within a week or so someone will Shurlee point it out to everyone on this forum.

Sheesh! Ever heard of embedded links?

BigDave




msg:158510
 7:49 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't think google cares why you buy the link (though they don't like sites that specifically advertise "PR for sale").

What google would have problems with is a site that improplerly skews the results of too many sites.

If I have a PR4 page with "buy a link" google will not care, my links are not going to make all that much difference to anyone.

If I have a PR9 page with "advertise here" and 10 links to pages where the "Ad" is the only significant incoming link, and all 10 sites are in industries where a PR5 is the normal ceiling, then Google will care and might block the PR from being passed to those sites.

That PR9 page is the equivalent of the superbowl. It is normal for major companies to advertise there. Ford advertises on the superbowl, Ford dealers don't.

johnser




msg:158511
 7:54 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

One site I'm aware of has hundreds of links from 1 PR8 site and is no.1 on competitive SERPs & has been for at least the last 3 months.

I've no intention of "reporting" him for blatantly buying PR coz thats just ridiculous IMHO.

Instead, I'd like to know if anyone has any personal experience of action/inaction from Google in relation to such sites.

BTW, Thanks for your feedback on this thread. Its appreciated :)
J

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