| 3:30 pm on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)|
The same again,
No Answer :(
| 6:14 pm on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)|
This won't help much, but I have the same questions since I rank well when allintitle/text aren't screwed up and basically causing my site to disappear every few days. I don't think anyone knows what's going on with this, that's perhaps why you haven't gotten a reply.
As far as I know, allintitle tells you how you would rank if the only thing that counted was your title, and I assume allintext is for on-page content only. As, allinanchor is for anchor text on inbound links only. Using these tools can show you if you have any opportunity to improve your title, text, and/or anchor text if the tools say you should rank higher than you actually do in the SERPS. (I thought this is what the tools were created for...so webmasters can make sites more in line with what Google wants - I may be wrong though)
You probably already know this and your question is: what the heck is going on with allintext/title when my site's title & content are pretty darn good, but the tools sometimes say I should not even be in the index. Not to mention allinanchor stays awesome. That's my question anyway.
The answer I'm trying to convince myself is that Google is sort of broken or going through super-duper changes right now and SERPS just aren't quite right. Since my site is a truly unique one that offers the most products to consumers in my topic, it really shouldn't be disappearing so much. Hope that helps a little!
| 6:05 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Thanks a lot
| 6:15 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I had this same question as my allinanchor search produced a site ranking of #2, while allintitle and allintext produced a site ranking of who-knows-where; I couldn't find my site under those searches. What I observed was my site would be listed as #2 for a few hours every other day or so. I believe Google was displaying allinanchor results. Then, my site would disappear when allintext and allintitle results would be displayed (that's my theory). This was frustrating because my site was well optimized for allintitle and allintext.
Then yesterday, my site showed #2 for allintitle and allintext as well as allinanchor and is now consistently ranking #2 in the SERPS. I checked all the datacenters and it is #2 across in everyone.
If your site is optimized for allintitle and allintext, then maybe it will follow the same kind of pattern and eventually settle in to a nice top spot.
| 6:28 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
How can a website be optimized for allintitle and allintext?
What are the factors that affect allintitle and allintext results?
has anybody any idea?
| 6:29 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Where does one get allintitle etc from?
| 6:32 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
To use the allintitle tool, go to www.google.com and type in allintitle:keyword and it will display its rankings for that query. You can do the same with allintext:keyword and allinanchor:keyword.
| 6:50 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Your title should clearly portray what someone will find on the page. After that you can tweak it work better with search engines. There must be some keywords you are targeting to rank well for. Your most important targeted keywords for the page should be included in the title. The earlier they appear in the title the more they will help. You have to be careful just adding keywords because you also want the title to call people to the page, since it will appear in the serps. As far as text there are many, many ways to optomise. My only suggestion here is that your text be interesting for the reader, and have your keywords peppered through. Then make sure all your content is spiderable.
| 7:00 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Great thanks. So much to learn in so little time :o)
| 9:18 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
you got a very good point.
I know one site, my biggest competitor on 7 000 000 keyword who is very stable in results. I watched his ranking in Google and I have to say that during several months I couldn't see him out of the top 3 results. while my site was out every several days. I could not find out how could he menage to do it, at first I thought that it was old site and that was a reason of his success, But He is quite new. Then I tried several theories but all in vain.
Now I think that we got closer to his secret of success. I checked his site in allintext and allintitle result on the keyword mentioned above, I found out that he is in top 3 in
allintitle, allinanchor, and allintext.
Now we have to guess how to get our sites higher in allintitle and allintext, and if we manage it I think we will stick to higher rankings in G.
Dear Forum Members,
Nobody will tell us his secret about the issue mentioned above. I'm sure here are people who know this secret, but they are quiet and they will be.
Let's post our cases on this thread and then sum up our data . If you don't want to make public your cases I will be happy to get your steacky mail and then share my obsrvations.
After all, I think being in top results in allintitle and allintext is extremely important.
Let's discuss how to get that places.
| 10:31 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
For a complete list of Google's advanced search operators check [google.com...]
| 10:43 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
The only way to beat Google at this game is move all of your anchor text links to an interior page that is optimized for that particular keyword.
All of my interior optimized keyword pages (with lots of anchor text links pointing to that interior page) are showing up well.
Meanwhile, we have sent a search party with corpse sniffing dogs to look for the index.html page.
Sometimes the index page is top 5, sometimes it's disappeared. But the seo'd and anchorintext interior pages are doing great or better.
Changing my tactics to accomodate their new tactics for index pages.
| 4:00 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
As far as secrets here is the best one I know. I have about 20 total exterior links pointing to my index page. About 80% have my top keywords as the anchor text. Google is ranking my site #2 for allinanchor. The site at number 1 has over 900 exterior links and I believe the anchors in those links are mostly his company's name and a variety of other words that generally describe his business. Inadvertantly, he has a few more links than me with the keywords (and thus the ranking) we are competing for. Because I've been focused, I've risen to the top. Link campaigns are VERY powerful with Google.
There is an entire forum devoted just to linking strategies on this site. I spent several months there when I first joined learning the techniques and then applying them. This is the first week that I have seen true SERPS fruit from those efforts. If my site stays at number 2 it will be worth all that time.
| 4:09 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I agree that focused link campaigns are VERY important with Google. I also think focus linked campaigns are somehow intertwined with the missing index page anomaly.
| 5:26 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
So you say that allintitle and allintext don't matter and the main thing is Allinanchor ...
Maybe but not sure, but how can you explain that my competitor has not been out of top 3 results for several months and I go in top ten and nowhere. The only reason I see is that I do very bedly at allintitle and allintext.
I should add that he has much fewer inbound links then me.
Don't you think that all this is strange?
| 7:13 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
In my kw cats, there are 3 old, established and high quality sites that never go in and out. But for other kw cats that are less popular mine are in the top 3 and always stay there.
there are the very top sites that always stay in somewhere and then there are others that seem to exist on up to 3 different indexes.
| 8:20 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I'm really starting to think that anchor text is just not being factored by these SERPS. My index page is missing from SERPS, but shows on allinanchor. The deeper page that now shows up in SERPS, ranks crappy but doesn't show up in allinanchor, but does in allintext and allintitle. Also, as I reported before, the SERPS are still exactly matching allintext results, but don't match up on the other commands.
This leads me to believe that the current algo that G is using for www, anchor text just isn't being weighed, or not being weighed properly, or theres a bug. What else would explain it? Is anyone else seeing this?
| 8:40 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I rank well (#3) for my main keyphrase (which is very competitive) using allinanchor - the strange thing is, because of the way I went about my link campaign when I first started, that keyphrase doesn't appear in my inbound links!
My ranking on allintext fluctuates between #3 and #20 and my ranking in the main SERPS fluctuates in sympathy.
Before Dominic, my site occupied #3 in the main SERPS. My PR is 5 and my onpage stuff is pretty well optimized (at least in pre-Dominic terms).
My observations lead me to believe that not only is allinanchor not being factored in, but the results it gives are incorrect.
| 11:49 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Google is only targeting allinanchor on the index pages. Interior pages are not affected and still rank well with lots of links using your targeted anchor text.
| 5:48 am on Jul 7, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have found another site with PR3 it is in top 5 on the 7 000 000 keyword. I couldn't find it in allinanchor results, but it's in top 5 in allintext, nowhere in allintitle. In www results it is in top 5.
Does www = allintext? How can it be?
How can we optimize websites for allintext?
Has anybody idea?
| 5:56 pm on Jul 7, 2003 (gmt 0)|
How can we optimize websites for allintext?
| 4:57 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)|
No Reply :(
| 5:30 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Does www = allintext? How can it be? |
Of course, www!=allintext. Do a search for a number of words (e.g. 'the'). Also, I believe that anchor text is still the most important part.
|How can we optimize websites for allintext? |
There is no general answer to this question. You have to find that out by yourself (by changing the occurrence / density of the keyword, Hx, bold, strong tags ...). However, even if the ranking for allintext is improved (while allinanchor and allintitle are unchanged), this doesn't mean that the ranking in the SERPS is improved.
| 6:52 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have tried allintitle:keywords, allintext:keywords and allinanchor:keywords, and our site comes up #1 in all three SERPS. So why does our site constantly come up #3 or #4 in keywords SERPS?
#1, #2 and #3 SERPS are different domain names, all owned by one company. This company owns 200-300 domain names, each name for each type of product they sell plus an assorted bunch of "*", "-", "_", etc. included in the domain name. No incoming links from any other sites but their own. Not even from DMOZ.
Each PR of these domain names is 5. The PR of our domain is 5. However, because our PR is diluted to 3 or 4 on our product pages from our PR5 index page, they suffer no dilution because each product page is their PR5 index page. Thus their PR5 product pages are outranking our PR3 product pages each and every time.
Each of their domains' index page is done a little differently by color, fonts and graphics so they are not likely to be penalized for duplicate content. I've complained to GoogleGuy, but nothing has happened.
Apparently, this blatant manipulation seems to be how one can achieve the best results.