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Update Monitor - www2, www3 IP change
Another approach in detecting Google update?
captainhannes




msg:185094
 9:56 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi all!

I'm new in this forum - just joined yesterday. Thank you all for your great posts. I already learned a lot! :-)

Today I discovered the Update Monitor
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I have read that before the new deep crawl does online, the IP's of www2.google.com and www3.google.com are changed, right?

My idea is checking the IP's to detect the Google Dance. Is this a good approach?
Does Google dislike it if I 'dig' one of their nameservers i.e. every hour from my server?

Thanks in advance for your opinions!

Best regards,
Hannes / Austria

 

Chris_R




msg:185095
 10:11 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

As of last month - there is no sure way to predict the google dance. RIght now - the predictor seems to be when googleguy stops making fun of us for asking if the dance is on right now.

It used to be the backlinnks would change - and we would consider that the update.

This is no longer the case.

Nice theory, but I am afraid it won't really matter much :)

DerekH




msg:185096
 10:20 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Captainhannes wrote
"My idea is checking the IP's to detect the Google Dance. Is this a good approach? "

Welcome aboard, Captain (if that's not an oxymoron...)

Well, my short sojourn on these pages has so far taught me one thing. The GoogleDance, whilst fun to watch, isn't anything to do with writing a good website.
Not only does the Dance *not* help you write good content, but it causes dozens of people with poor content to dance (as it were) up and down with much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Instead of worrying whether Google has danced or not, use your time to write pages that will delight your visitors.

After all, if one worried about the Google Dance, the MSN Dance, The AllTheWeb Dance, The AltaVista Dance, The BoilYourHeadInABucket Dance (I made that one up), you'd not have time to write content.

When a surfer clicks on the second listing on a Google Search, does he think
a) Why isn't this top?
b) Why was the top one so dreadful to navigate?

Go with "b" and make your site better - you'll win.

Regards
DerekH

SlowMove




msg:185097
 10:26 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>the IP's of www2.google.com and www3.google.com are
changed, right?

is that why www2.google.com and www3.google.com now have PR0?

captainhannes




msg:185098
 4:35 am on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

> Welcome aboard, Captain (if that's not an oxymoron...)

Thank you! I'm no real Captain in the military/seafarer sense, but I have this nickname for 10 years in real life too (folks at the company also only call me Captain) and also because I'm fond of sailing ;-)

> The GoogleDance, whilst fun to watch [...]

That is exactly why I want to detect it. Nothing more. Just for fun.

> Instead of worrying whether Google has danced or not, use your time to write pages that will delight your visitors.

Of course I will do :-)
But it is a bit frustrating to know that I have a cool brand-new site related to a topic that is in the various media right now and it won't be found! Freshbot was there 2 weeks ago, but didn't come again since then and it is not in the index too.

All the best,
Captain / Austria

DerekH




msg:185099
 6:31 am on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

But it will be - just give Google a bit of time. Once you're in the index for real things will settle down nicely for you and site maintenance ceases to be a worry!
Regards
DerekH

netnerd




msg:185100
 11:02 am on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Looks like www3 has less sites in it for certain search terms - is this a spam filter being added in or is it just old data?

Markus




msg:185101
 11:07 am on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hannes,

a DNS record change of www2 and www3 can be an indicator for an upcoming update but it does not always work. I dig a NS every 5 minutes and these are the dates that I have collected since October 2002:

10/31/02 - 06:25 UTC - 216.239.35.100 -> 216.239.33.100
01/25/03 - 06:50 UTC - 216.239.33.100 -> 216.239.51.100
03/07/03 - 01:45 UTC - 216.239.51.100 -> 216.239.57.100
03/20/03 - 23:35 UTC - 216.239.57.100 -> 216.239.33.100
04/10/03 - 21:50 UTC - 216.239.33.100 -> 216.239.33.104
05/06/03 - 01:00 UTC - 216.239.33.104 -> 216.239.35.100

You can compare the dates to Brett's update history
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Often, the DNS records are updated a few hours before the dance begins but, i.e., Dominic initially started on 05/02 at www-sj and the DNS records of www2 and www3 were updated on 05/06.

BTW, if you don't feel comfortable 'diggin' one of Google's name servers you can choose any name server that regards the TTL because Google's domains have a TTL of 5 minutes.

captainhannes




msg:185102
 12:22 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Derek,

I do not make any money off my sites, so it is not an emergency ;-)
Actually I will have most traffic when the spacecrafts arrive at Mars in December and January and by then my new site should be in the index :-)

Markus,

thank you too for the info!
So the best indicator of a dance is still checking the backlinks of a major site?

I didn't pay attention to the TTL yet. I checked it and even get a value of 60(!) seconds.

Regards,
Hannes.

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