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Powdork




msg:215040
 7:13 am on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

A meta editor changed my description over in DMOZ from
Online guide to keyword services in or on keyword.
to
Directory of some businesses catering to keywords.

The keywords in the new listing are inaccurate. An analogy would be:
Location Used Cars-Directory of some businesses offering car insurance.

This happened immediately following a disagreement with the meta editor at resource-zone. When will the description show up in the snippets on Google? I'm hoping it won't happen until the change makes its way to the Google Directory. Is there anything I can do to not have the description used in the snippets?

 

rfgdxm1




msg:215041
 7:26 am on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

You could submit a request to the ODP for a new description. Dunno if there is much you can do. What is in the ODP description really isn't that important. You probably shouldn't worry about it. It isn't like the description says your site is about selling adult sex toys, when in reality it is something totally unrelated.

extreme




msg:215042
 7:54 am on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

The difference about you and the Dmoz Editors is that the editors don't care at all if the descriptions leads to clicks on your site.

They will try to take a look at your site and write a description from that, which does not mean they will write the same you think your site is.

If your site is a garbled mess without much information you won't get much of a listing, but if you have a site with lots of content you might get a better listing.

By all means submit your site again with the new desc, but it's very unlikely it'll be changed since what webmasters submit usually sounds like a 5 sentence PR campaign without any care of what's actually on the site.

Powdork




msg:215043
 8:22 am on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

You could submit a request to the ODP for a new description. Dunno if there is much you can do.

I filed an abuse report, as it was done with malice. I resigned my editorship and I requested to have my sites removed, which has not been done after over a month.

What is in the ODP description really isn't that important.

It shows up whenever my home page appears in the serps on Google. I consider it very important.

I think "Directory of some businesses" sounds gawd awful. BTW this was never an issue in the report. I didn't even notice it much then. Only now when I look at the difference between the two listings.

Cossack




msg:215044
 1:59 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not really a good step. I think the ODP has a point about keyword-stuffed descriptions (http://dmoz.org/guidelines/describing.html) and especially about the repetition of keywords ;). BTW if you see that a meta editor changed something in your web site description - you are from the ODP or you get this information somehow ;) - so if you fill an external abuse report - you may violate the ODP's guidelines for a second time.

The best advice is to work on the description for your web site, may be extend it for 2 or 3 sentences and than ask for an update.

[edited by: Cossack at 3:41 pm (utc) on June 8, 2003]

vincevincevince




msg:215045
 2:12 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Why are you so certain that it was done to harm your site? If you think the description is out of date, then file an update request, and it will be reviewed in due course.

percentages




msg:215046
 2:58 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>file an update request, and it will be reviewed in due course.

Is that days, weeks, months or years. vincevincevince, you should be working for Google;) They would even like that nick;)

vincevincevince




msg:215047
 3:19 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Is that days, weeks, months or years

Whilst it is true the time you can expect to wait is variable, I've had sites updated for description in just a few days. It all depends on how things are in your neck of the DMOZ :-)

Powdork




msg:215048
 4:59 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

BTW if you see that a meta editor changed something in your web site description - you are from the ODP or you get this information somehow - so if you fill an external abuse report - you may violate the ODP's guidelines for a second time.

Yes I was an editor. Then I resigned. If I violated any of their rules I couldn't care less. Maybe they will remove the sites as my penalty.;)
To drag this back in to this forum, does anyone know at what point Google will start using the snippet?

g1smd




msg:215049
 5:18 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)


How long to be in the Google directory?

Read the last few lines of: [google.com...]

>> If I violated any of their rules I couldn't care less. <<

That is quite a bad attitude you have there. Most, if not all, Meta editors care passionately about violations of the rules.

Powdork




msg:215050
 5:45 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Most, if not all, Meta editors care passionately about violations of the rules.

And i feel passionately that ODP is a spam ridden, useless, not working, black eye for Google, but that is not what this thread is about.

I'm not asking how long to be in the Google directory. I'm asking if that is when my new ODP description will be the description that Google uses in the regular serps next to the word "Description:".

g1smd




msg:215051
 6:09 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> I'm not asking how long to be in the Google directory. <<

Umm. You got me thinking that I had seriously misread the question, then I noticed you originally wrote:

When will the description show up in the snippets on Google? I'm hoping it won't happen until the change makes its way to the Google Directory.

I have no idea when they might start using the snippets, but I do know how long it takes to get listed in the Google directory, which was implied by a part of the original question.

coconutz




msg:215052
 8:32 pm on Jun 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think the new description will show up the next time Google spiders DMOZ and updates its index. I don't think the description or categories shown in the SERPs are dependent on Google's Directory being up to date.

For some reason I'm thinking this was the case early this year when DOMZ was having problems with the dump. Maybe someone else can chime in, but I seem to remember new categories and descriptions being listed in the SERPs before Google finally updated its directory.

As for how you can get rid of this description - I'll guess the only way would be to have your listing removed from DMOZ.

MyWifeSays




msg:215053
 11:20 am on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

How about returning a 404 error to the DMOZ bot? That might do the trick.

Brian




msg:215054
 5:53 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

My DMOZ entry was rewritten and moved to a different alphabetical list. This resulted in about three months' confusion as it dropped out of the Google directory for a while, then came back as the old entry, now the new. I'm not sure it's possible to accurately predict when a correction will come true.

rafalk




msg:215055
 6:46 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

How about returning a 404 error to the DMOZ bot? That might do the trick.

That wouldn't work. The site would indeed be tagged, but when an editor checked up on it, it would show up for the editor. There's no way to cloak submissions from editors with any effectiveness.

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