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just dropped out of google
why between updates?
stavs

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Msg#: 14048 posted 11:40 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi

One of our main sites has vanished in the last week. During the last few days, its been there one minute but gone the next, now it really seems to have vanished. This could not have come at a worse time, its like a nightmare...

What I'm confused about is the timing. Normally sites get dropped (for whatever reason) during an update - so why now? Any ideas?

 

planbeta

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Msg#: 14048 posted 3:53 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

What makes you think that?

So many theories, going round at the minute I'm getting dizzy sick...think I'll hibernate, someone wake me up when Google has returned to relative normality.

Chris

jaffstar

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Msg#: 14048 posted 4:20 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

E :( Google dropped about 200 of my backlinks.

I dropped from #2 in Serps to #41.

During the past few days google has dropped me from the Serps for my Kw. My PR is still (6), and the site can be found in google when searched for the url.

I have a question: I have about 6 link pages with about 40 links per page. These are sites of interest to my customers i.e web design and seo firms. There is no mention of links, more like resources.

Should I Drop these pages completely? or just sit it out like everyone out and sweat? and wait for the update to happen.

suggy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:42 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)


Hi jaffstar

There was an enormous conspiracy theorists' thread about 'Links' pages and whether they were being penalised during May.

Most sensible SEOs said no way and eventually Google Guy waded in and said don't be daft, twice.

Still you could always use your spare time, while waiting for Dom to stop arsing about, to turn those 40 links into 40 separate pages. Each can target a slightly different search, whilst making more useful content for your visitors too?!

Just an idea...

Suggy.

jaffstar

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:45 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Suggy,

I decided to painfully go through the links. Tons of 404 error pages that I was linking to as well as some bad neighbourhoods....with pr0 "links pages".

I am focussing on quality not quantity.

:)

PollyG

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Msg#: 14048 posted 8:51 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

May I add a category f) Site completely vanished -

My site is from April, it was in, then it was out, in, out (Do the Hokey Kokey?) in and now at the moment after a promising whole 2 weeks of inclusion -we have disappeared again.

If I can't have f) then i'll settle for

e)

Powdork

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Msg#: 14048 posted 8:55 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

I decided to painfully go through the links. Tons of 404 error pages that I was linking to as well as some bad neighbourhoods....with pr0 "links pages".

Jaffstar, hit undo. Those pr 0 pages you are linking to are probably perfectly fine. GoogleGuy has even said so. That is what suggy meant.

In fact, other conspiracy theorist might say that Google would penalize anyone who dropped links to pr 0 sites because those people were only linking for pr.;)

TravelSite

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Msg#: 14048 posted 10:04 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Our official company site (PR6) dissapeared when it encountered a new google penalty during the recent change. A planned new version of the site was successfully launched the following day (bad timing I know) and a reinclusion request submited. Since then we've sent several more requests none of which have been answered (aside from the standard Google generated response).

So we left a message with Google Uk who called us back very quickly (all praise to them). The person contacted sent on our request to the relevant person in Google (USA) - but is still awaiting a response from their main office (1 week later).

The feeling that I've been getting is that the recent (multiple) changes have resulted in a flood of requests/questions to google - grinding their customer service to a halt. Has anyone shared this experience or is this normal?

The reason I'm asking is that this could have a serious impact on the time taken to reinclude sites.

jaffstar

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Msg#: 14048 posted 12:59 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Travelsite,

You are probably 1 person out of 2 million with the same problem. I doubt you were banned, the index is still outdated.

I think time is the only way to figure this one out.

I am also suddenly F....

Join the club

jaffstar

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Msg#: 14048 posted 1:03 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Powdork,

Does anyone have an idea how many recirpicol links could be considered spam?

When I said removing 404/bad neighbourhoods and pr0, those are three types of sites I removed.

When I got to a guys main site and he has PR(7), and His "LINKS" page has a zero, its time to run!

customdy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 1:39 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just got dropped again last night, gone from #3 to unknown... same thing happend about 2 weeks ago, went from #3 to page 6 then about a week later back to #3, now gone again. The rolller coaster continues.......

TravelSite

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Msg#: 14048 posted 2:05 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks Jaffstar

- But Im sure that we're banned - other sites we have still appear. The site doesn'teven appear when www.<companysite>.co.uk is entered - and we still show a PR6 using the googletoolbar. Wouldn't even mind if it at least showed up when users entered www.<companysite>.co.uk (we employ over a 100 people and the site is very popular) :(

Anyone know how to get Googles attention?!

jaffstar

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Msg#: 14048 posted 3:05 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Travelsite,

I am still at PR(6), I find my url when I search "www.name.com", but nowhere in the serps.

I also lost a few urls which were very very clean. As much as you hate to hear it, I would be patient.

Thats tough, I know...with 100 ppl and everyone wanting answers!

You can try google adwords, they have reduced their min bids to $0.05 also try findwhat.com and overture.

The difference with playing a pay per click model vs. free traffic from google comes down to a three letter word!

ROI!

I doubt guys on google getting free traffic pay much attention to that word. When you are paying per click, you need to get conversions, if you dont, change, change , change, until you do ,OR until you run out of money.

TravelSite

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Msg#: 14048 posted 3:41 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks Jaffstar

I'll just need to be patient and calm :)

I'm looking into PPC and have used it successfully before - but its very competitive in my industry - especially with espotting-type "search engines" appearing on adwords.

The real problem for us is Googles dominance - despite front page listings for top keywords on just about all the other SEs (after PPC ads) the vast majority of our search engine traffic (uk) comes from Google.

On the plus side we've got a strong brand to fall back on that generates most of our traffic - and we can now look forward to learning all about ROI as we tackle Overture!

zandig

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Msg#: 14048 posted 4:41 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

b on all

TravelSite

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Msg#: 14048 posted 11:35 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just dropped INTO Google

- Our site is now showing when clients enter our brand and for some popular terms (for the first time in several weeks). I can breathe easy now thanks to google.

I think a penalty was removed (unless other people are starting to see things re-appear?)

SlowMove

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Msg#: 14048 posted 11:40 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

you can't count on anything now. keeps changing

drewls

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Msg#: 14048 posted 11:43 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

You may see it go in and out, as there are some differences at each of the datacenters. (not typical freshbot or everflux stuff either)

Same thing happened to us. We were #1 for our keyword phrase, and now in half the datacenters we're not there at all. If you search allinanchor:keyword phrase , we're still #1 (in ALL datacenters) but in the SERPS, we're not there.

Nothing we've done that I'm aware of to stir up any penalties. No hidden anything, no link farms, etc...not even a links page...

Funny thing is, we can be found if you search the first word in our keyword phrase, in the same postition we've been in. You can search the second word in our keyword phrase and it's also in the same postion in the SERPs...but try putting em both together and no go. :(

[edited by: drewls at 11:57 pm (utc) on June 12, 2003]

TravelSite

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Msg#: 14048 posted 11:44 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

True

I'll keep monitoring things and hope :)

drewls

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Msg#: 14048 posted 12:25 am on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

I swear I'm seeing some stuff revert back to a pre-Dominic state...but I'm too entrenched in only knowing my own SERPs to really make that assessment.

TravelSite

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Msg#: 14048 posted 9:24 am on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

If other sites are beginning to reappear (?) then it could be that they have removed/suspended/lowered the threshold of some of the new filters.

They've told me on the phone that they've been completely swamped with emails - probably to the extent that it could take a very long while to go through them all. Perhaps they've opted to remove/reduce the filters for the moment and take a look at the thresholds of them (not being able to get through all the emails). Every indication from Google I've had seems to say that they place a lot of value on good service and communication so this could make sense. It could also just be that there getting round slowly to look at all the reinclusion requests.

I'm probably completely wrong and should expect all three of our sites to dissappear soon :) It's a nightmare when they change several things at once!

algarveb

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:04 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Our site is showing many of the characteristics mentioned in this discussion, but I have also noticed that it seems to be only our 'index' page that has dropped - most of our other pages continue to rank well.

For example, where our 'index' page used to rank Number 1 (with a PR5) it is now not ranked at all, but a 'sub-page' ranks number 1 in its place. Unfortunately this is not the case for all of the keywords where we ranked number 1!

We still have the PR5 for the index page - so any ideas why this has dropped so significantly?

soapystar

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:54 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

im also still seeing this on several sites. even more mystifying is that many of us with this bug/penalty saw all sites return for a day at the beginning of this update. next day woooosh!....gone again. Just the index page and just for selected searches.

jeyval

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:06 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

"I swear I'm seeing some stuff revert back to a pre-Dominic state...but I'm too entrenched in only knowing my own SERPs to really make that assessment."

Totally agree with you. In fact, I have posted a topyc on its own about this. Just waiting to see if it gets approved for the moderators

customdy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:15 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

"I swear I'm seeing some stuff revert back to a pre-Dominic state...but I'm too entrenched in only knowing my own SERPs to really make that assessment."
Totally agree with you. In fact, I have posted a topyc on its own about this. Just waiting to see if it gets approved for the moderators

Same here, but I wouldn't see pre-Dominic state, we are back to the Dominic state...

I am sure it will not last............

algarveb

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:20 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

glad to get the feedback - as i'm new to this debate, can you tell me what the 'dominic state' is please.

i feel like G has missed the index page for some reason, but has tried to find other pages to replace it - so why would it 'miss' it?

I say 'missed' because it has replaced the index page with sub-pages, so i presume that it still likes the site, but it skipped the 'index'.

what does everyone else think?

AAnnAArchy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:23 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

<<Same here, but I wouldn't see pre-Dominic state, we are back to the Dominic state...>>

Yeah, whooosh, overnight the listings in my category went from stable for close to a week to completely different on all datacenters.

ETA - ...and my sites have disappeared.

JoeHouse

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:25 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

How long after the google update does froogle receive this information? I have a new website that just got listed into the google indexed but nothing yet on froogle. How long does this normally take?

Rachel2

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:37 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a site that has been in the top 3 for a keyword for over 2 years now and yesterday it was #3 and today it is gone. I have used no tricks at all, can't figured out what happened. This is just horrible ....

mfishy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:39 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Froogle means next to nothing in terms of traffic, but all the info is right on the site [froogle.google.com...]

customdy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 7:44 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, we all hope things straighten back out, apparently things are messed up again, I just did a google search for search engines, google was no where to be found.
Dogpile #1
Search.com #2
SearchEngineWatch #3

These cannot be valid results.. all we can do it wait until thing gets worked back out.

dbahn

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Msg#: 14048 posted 7:45 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hold on. As of 3:30 p.m EDT the datacenters are NOT matching up. Both -ex and -cw are showing completely different results for some keywords. It looks to me as if it may be from the most recent crawls as well.

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