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just dropped out of google
why between updates?
stavs

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Msg#: 14048 posted 11:40 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi

One of our main sites has vanished in the last week. During the last few days, its been there one minute but gone the next, now it really seems to have vanished. This could not have come at a worse time, its like a nightmare...

What I'm confused about is the timing. Normally sites get dropped (for whatever reason) during an update - so why now? Any ideas?

 

SEO practioner

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Msg#: 14048 posted 4:52 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Unfortunately, I'm down. Deoending on which keywords, I'm down from 5% to all the way to 30%... :-(

Hopefully the next update will be better... I hope the next update will be the name of a girl like Sophia or something like that... I am luckier with women's names... :-)

Stefan

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Msg#: 14048 posted 4:53 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

C) About the same

MHes

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Msg#: 14048 posted 4:56 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Same as Tigger

New Sites

E

6/12 mth old sites

D

12mths +

C

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:00 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

First site E, second site C. That first site got a nasty case of dominitis, which hopefully won't be a terminal condition.

mogwai

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 14048 posted 5:03 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Same as tigger and MHes. The new sites were just starting to get some good placements/traffic before Dominic trampled them.

webwoman

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:04 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Site A slightly lower
Site B slightly higher overall and much higher for 2 keywords
Site C exactly the same
Site D much higher

The other sites are too new to make an intelligent evaluation.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 14048 posted 5:04 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Answer: (c) - about the same. I've lost one #1 spot, gained another, and stayed the same for everything else that I've checked.

My current site is about a year and a half old.

mfishy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:06 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

New site - E
Older site- C

The theme seems to be that the backdate really crushed new sites that were doing great in April. :(

roneill

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:10 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Had basically started new site optimization in Feb. In Mar/April went to #4, now back to pre-Feb existence of not there.

jbinbpt

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:13 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

All Stayed the same. But new pages after March went down to 0.

BigDave

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:14 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

3 B's and an A. This is all based on traffic.

The A site would probably be a B, except the highest traffic keyphrase when it was on page 3 of the SERPs, moved to page 1. Other keyphrases on all the sites seem to be the same or slightly better.

suggy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:17 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

My situation mirrors everyone else.

New site = slightly down. This site first got a PR in April. Then lost it again through Dominic.

Anyone who lost their PR (greyed bar) through Big Bad Dom got it back yet?

Rgds

Suggy

twilight47

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:17 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

E :(

However, Alta Vista and Ask.com have crawled our whole site and improved are rankings tremendously.

Now if only I could get 80% of the searching public to use those SE's. ;)

DerekH

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:18 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Both my sites noticeably up, though I spent the time trying to encapsulate all the best practice hints and tips that were flying about here.
DerekH

Birdman

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:20 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's very strange for me. My favorite site, which has been the best performer was suddenly thrust to the depths of nowhere, while a couple other sites I handle seem unaffected. The site that got the shaft is well over a year old and has had many links pointing to it so I don't buy the "backlinks haven't been added yet" theory.

D-
:(

born2drv

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:20 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Depends, what part of Dominic are we talking here? I've seen a partial recovery for some of my sites....

Past month: (E)
Past week: (D)

... if I gain the 2 search terms I'm mysteriously getting traffic from that is ranking well on other dataceners but not www, I'll be back to (C).

Yidaki

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:20 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

puh, since we target some k keywords and phrases it's hard to tell in average - if not impossible. However, some of the highest traffic pages dropped surprisingly significant, others kept their positions, others improved (few), many still jumping up and down, no changes have been made (in regards to on page optimization) ... ya see, no average.

Bottomline: traffic is still increasing - unchanged since months - climbing - no traffic drops. That's what counts, imho.

<added>I speak about a dozen different sites. All clean, no spam, only very valuable content, of course! :)<added>

wackmaster



 
Msg#: 14048 posted 5:24 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Older sites: b) Higher

Jan launch site: c) About the same

Feb launch site: d) Lower

March launch and later: Goose Egg

Overall: b) Higher

Observed Spam: a) Much higher

Terrier

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:26 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)


c) About the same

Yidaki

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:30 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

>March launch and later: Goose Egg

Curious: can you define goose egg? What positions would you hve expected and what positions did you get? I ask because one of my friend's site was launched april, 2 and gains acceptable to excelent positions for the most important keywords / phrases with just minor drops since dominic.

hobbnet

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:31 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

The main site of my concern which is over two years old ranks much lower.

zeus

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:33 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

d) Lower on some keywords, but much lower in traffic from 27.000 unique a day to 14.000 unique a day, so I think alot of the internal pages rank much lower.

I hope the best for all in the next update.

zeus

mfishy

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:35 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

<<I ask because one of my friend's site was launched april, 2 and gains acceptable to excelent positions for the most important keywords / phrases with just minor drops since dominic.>>

Just curious. What does this have to do with anything? My mom's site is cranking too! Many here are saying that they have dropped on new sites since Dominic. I'm not sure how your friends site is relevant, unless you want to share his secrets to exploiting freshbot. :)

Yidaki

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:36 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I hope the best for all in the next update.

I don't buy this statements allthough many others have posted such in the past.
I'd say: I hope the best for all who don't compete with me. >:)

stever

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:38 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Established sites (6 months +): c)
New site (March/April) without linked holding page: e)
New site with previously linked holding page but developed in April: a)

bhartzer

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:38 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

c) about the same

most sites remain the same but a few domains where I have been number 1 for over a year have dropped to number 3.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:39 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Now if only I could get 80% of the searching public to use those SE's.

Perhaps the current Google victims should set up a site to convince the public how lousy Google is, and link to it prominently on their home page. ;)

Yidaki

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:39 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

mfishy, don't know why you fire up against my question!? Nope, i did the optimization for her site so no secret sauce other than what you all here know allready. ;)

Wasn't my question legit? If not, please just ignore! Anyway, to me, it's interesting to compare other people's new site's success with mine.

<added>The initial question wasn't: is your site also ranking as bad as all the others in google, or? Buffled.</added>

born2drv

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:49 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hasn't anyone else had a partial recovery in the past week or so?

FunnyGirl

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Msg#: 14048 posted 5:51 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

New Site: Jumping in and out of 1st or 2nd for main keywords
Established sites: d) LOWER

Spice

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Msg#: 14048 posted 6:06 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've not posted before but this topic is so distressing for me I just had to say somthing.

My two sites have fallen off the 'serps map' and I hope they return. These were good, no spam sites (unless the 'good' technics learned here are now 'bad').

Jon_King for your poll:

E) Much Lower

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