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I would give Google a rating of 8/10.
Are Google overreacting to negative feedback?
kaled




msg:171964
 5:03 pm on Jun 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Whilst pondering the subject of another thread (no prizes for guessing which one) it occured to me that a disproportionate amount of the feedback Google get is from whinging webmasters. Therefore, it would be very easy for the boys and girls there to form the opinion that Google is more badly broken than it is in reality.

From my own experiences AS A USER, I would give Google a rating of 8/10.

So AS USERS, how do other people rate Google? Forget dance issues, page-rank, etc. can you as a user find the information you want?

 

seekanddestroy




msg:172024
 6:49 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Last months Google 7/10

Current 'Broken' Google 5/10

The Google that wakes up to smell the rankness of foul play by giving penalities to mulitple domain (false page rank) conglomerates 9/10*

*Sorry 10/10 aint gonna happen for a while - you'd need virtual nueral networking to get the best page returned for your search every time!

Chris_D




msg:172025
 7:16 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Chiyo,

No problem - I was a bit confused at first by the 'Dave posters' - I thought it might be like 'Bill Posters' - you know - stop persecuting poor old Bill Posters.... all those threats about prosecuting Bill posters.....

IITian - Ebay was 1, hotmail.com was 2, www.google.com was 3 and sex was 4.

So we've got people using search engines to find things which only exist 'on line' - thats a concern. Sex was number one for ages - its now off the podium and ranking behind 'geek stuff'.

Thats why we are doomed!

: )

Powdork




msg:172026
 7:21 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shows how often I use Teoma even tho I'd just used it I still managed to spell it more like Tacoma which is in my region of the country.

Well, I just went there for the first time in a year to check it out as a result of this. It's riddled with Sites Positioned Above Mine ;). I believe they power ask jeeves though.
I thought you meant Tahoma, Ca.

crobb305




msg:172027
 8:39 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Until a few weeks ago, I would have said 9/10. Now, I give Google about 4/10. It's hard to believe that Inktomi and ATW have figured out how to do continuous updates, while Google is still doing updates once a month (at best). Come on Google. If you want to stay on top, you need to get it together.

ncsuk




msg:172028
 8:46 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Patrick thats what I mean, Google "CAN" read from inside a flash file.

If you use the Macromedia SDK you can see what it sees (I think)..!

sandalwood




msg:172029
 8:50 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google Opinion:

1. Many indexed pages
2. Good deep crawling
3. No fresh results
4. Very often algo changes, cause adwords must get some money for google ...

gstewart




msg:172030
 9:06 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Went searching for W32/Sobig-C - a virus that hit me a couple of minutes ago.

Google.com - no results
MSN and AltaVista both had results

Users are bound to notice this lack of freshness...

Bring back Google.

shaadi




msg:172031
 9:14 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

7/10

Found lots of mis-leading results.

sandalwood




msg:172032
 9:17 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

The thing is, that G stuff must be cool....good developers.
So the reason that they dont have fresh results it's not that they can't, but because they don't want to do it!

Please Be Gentle




msg:172033
 9:19 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

As a mere user (I am not a webmaster) I have to say I still find what I am looking for on google, whether searching for business or pleasure, which is my litmus paper test. So personally I won´t be looking for a new search engine to use
Cheers

sandalwood




msg:172034
 9:21 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

"As a mere user (I am not a webmaster) I have to say I still find what I am looking for on google, whether searching for business or pleasure"

Don't you care about new business offers or new pleasure events? Google can't give you that!

Powdork




msg:172035
 9:26 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Those that say Google is not broken should consider rethinking their defintion.
GoogleGuy stated in the beginning of this year that freshness would be a major emphasis in the future.
New sites added after February don't exist without extremely limited fresh listings.

GoogleGuy stated that the addition of spam filters and backlinks would be a rather quick process after the datacenters stabilized.
We're still waiting.

For my sites (which are doing extermely well in the serps) GoogleBot (of all types) visits have been dropping by 10% a month since February despite increases in pages, content, images, etc. This is before taking into account the total absence of deepbot in May.

Oh Yeah, lest i forget, THE TOTAL ABSENCE OF DEEPBOT IN MAY!

The serps (by most accounts) are less relevant and more spammy than previously.

Whether it is 'under construction' or a 'work in progress' is as irrelevant as the current results. It will cause the downfall of Google if it continues for an extended period.

From the conspiracy theory side: These have all the markings of a company improving the cost picture prior to a sale. IPO by June 4.

sandalwood




msg:172036
 9:36 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

"It will cause the downfall of Google if it continues for an extended period."

I think it has already started....the downfall way!
Webmasters most use google for checking customers sites rank and nothing more...:)

sandalwood




msg:172037
 9:44 am on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Search Engine Newest Rough Oldest
Page Found Average Page Found
---------------------------------------------------
MSN 1 day 4 weeks 51 days
HotBot 1 day 4 weeks 51 days
Google 2 days 1 month 165 days

These results coming from well-known website...

mfishy




msg:172038
 12:40 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Until we see rankings affected by a backlink snapshot more current than February, we are not seeing their best.

As a user I am seeing more dead links than I can recall ever seeing in the past. Will this lead to Google's downfall? No, but it certainly is a step in the wrong direction.

mfishy




msg:172039
 12:51 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Powdork, good point. May has come and gone with no deepcrawl. Leads me to believe that we are going to be waiting a long time for new backlink data.

Wonder if the transition to this "new system" has been more difficult than they anticipated?

ciml




msg:172040
 4:21 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

> a disproportionate amount of the feedback Google get is from whinging webmasters

I agree with that kaled, but Google are probably quite aware.

Most users don't scrutinise the Toolbar to see if it's a few months out of date. Most users don't scrutinise the link: search results to see if they're a few months out of date.

Most users don't care if the datacentres produce slightly different results. Most users don't care if a few sites with accidental hidden text happen to have poor rankings (it just means that some other site is now higher than them).

Even if Google weren't taking fairly recent backlinks into account (and I'm pretty sure they are), the good old 'Fresh' results we've all come to know and love could have done the job just fine for a few months.

Most users just want to find what they're looking for. At that, Google is pretty good.

skipfactor




msg:172041
 4:44 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

My folks came to visit this weekend in search of real estate. I did Yidaki's "housewife test" on my Pop (he uses Google 100%).

I just watched: not one curse or even a sigh out of him, and in 30 minutes on highly competitive terms, he had enough data to last a weekend's worth of driving around.

Whoever compared the current situation to a construction zone was right on. They're doing a great job at routing the traffic while a better road is being built.

kaled




msg:172042
 5:10 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)


Whoever compared the current situation to a construction zone was right on. They're doing a great job at routing the traffic while a better road is being built.

Yes, I think that is the experience of most users. There is a saying that, perhaps, applies - "Ignorance is Bliss". In other words, if the results appear to be good, the user is happy. The results don't actually have to be good and they certainly don't have to be the best.

One factor that always impresses me about Google is just how quickly it comes back with results. Speed usually inspires confidence in others, hence users are happy.

Perhaps one or two webmasters would like to try this experiment. Pick a few keywords for established Microsoft products. Go to the MS site and do a few searches. Next, do those same searches with Google. In my experience, Google results are likely to be returned maybe ten times quicker (even if all results on the page are in the MS website).

Whether this suggests Google to be good or MS to be bad, I'll let others decide.

[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 6:57 pm (utc) on June 2, 2003]

Powdork




msg:172043
 5:43 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Most users just want to find what they're looking for. At that, Google is pretty good.

I agree with everything you said above. A month ago, there would have been no need to say it, however.

Even if Google weren't taking fairly recent backlinks into account (and I'm pretty sure they are),

I have been wondering about this too. My sites have increased in some cases as though my recent link campaign has helped, even though there has been no change in the # with the link:searchthingy. However, some interior pages with very few external backlinks are suffering greatly from other missing links.

pixel_juice




msg:172044
 7:42 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Most users don't care if the datacentres produce slightly different results

I would agree if they are 'slightly different'. There are some problems with sites dropping in and out of the index and drastic ranking changes, because many users (myself included) use Google to return to sites that I've previously visited. It's annoying to find a site one day and then it disappear the next.

>>if Google weren't taking fairly recent backlinks into account

There are new backlinks, however IMO the body of link data they are using is also out of date. I have some sites where links were removed (for various reasons) and the links still show in a link: search, even though they don't show in the cache. Links from a good couple of months ago at least.

From a user perspective, I actually started using Google regularly as a switch from using alltheweb. I haven't used another search engine for day to day searches since then, apart from a few obscure queries where Google drew a blank. This won't change with the new index.

I also use other search engines for more specialists searches. Perhaps an effect of possible dissatisfaction with Google might be it losing loyalty rather than visitors?

mfishy




msg:172045
 7:49 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Most users don't care if the datacentres produce slightly different results <<

I have to disagree a bit here. I started another thread about this and find it quite annoying as a user

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EliteWeb




msg:172046
 7:50 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

10/10 Reasons:
Constant Changes in Alg.
Quick Inclusion.
Great Results.
Powerful server hardware.
Great Food @ Work.

pixel_juice




msg:172047
 8:00 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Most users don't care if the datacentres produce slightly different results <<

I have to disagree a bit here. I started another thread about this and find it quite annoying as a user

I agree to an extent, as I indicated above. Although it depends what 'slightly different' means. If it's like the existing results on the data centres, then the difference seems to be sites swapping around places a bit. I wouldn't see this as a real problem.

Yidaki




msg:172048
 8:12 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>10/10 ...

Elite, i'd substract 0.125 of any value since there's still no mac toolbar. Got it!? ;)

nutsandbolts




msg:172049
 9:22 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

6/10 at the moment... Plenty of junk floating around and still seeing mirror domains bubbling up near the top. But, as others have pointed out, most users won't really notice much difference. Unless they are searching for that new Virus information, of course ;)

Mind you, it's getting like 1/10 every 3 days when my sites disappear then re-appear like magic for another 3 days...then disappear for another 3 days...then reappear....and so on, and so on... ;)

Midwest




msg:172050
 9:37 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm like a lot of you, I've been taking a lot of hits in my traffic when I was considerably dropped for my strong keywords...no dramatic changes. So with that being said it's pretty easy for me to criticize because nobody likes to lose money. ;)

But as a search engine, I'll take Google with some issues almost every time. Nothing to say that isn't a duplication, it's an all around good SE. 8/10 (I will say that ATW is looking a lot better these days though).

My .02 - don't spend it all at once! ;)

John_Creed




msg:172051
 9:46 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Current score: 5/10

The old Google: 9.5/10

Still no deepbot anywhere in sight.(A slightly more aggressive Freshbot is no replacement for Deepbot) So it looks like the current Google will be the "new" Google for a while.

The average web user might not notice anything now but if this keeps up, trust me eventually they will.

At first they'll just accept the inferior results and not know of any alternatives.

However ... more webmasters will start getting angry. Other web savy people will start getting frustrated. They will encourage others to use different engines.

Once Yahoo switches over a large amount of people will automatically use that and see no reason to search out google.

Google will always be popular but I can see the day coming when they will account for less than 40-45% of all SE traffic.

Which is a good thing.

copongcopong




msg:172052
 10:27 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I still use google to search and I think sometimes we should not blame google with the results we get but with the search words that we used. even if google got my site semi-penalize, I would still rate it at 8/10, why? This would still give them 2/10 for improvement.

subway




msg:172053
 11:03 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I watched some guy in my office search Google for "www yahoo com" today! - He uses the internet everyday.! Basically that's proof that Joe Surfer really does not have a clue what they are doing, and therefore I don't think they'll know good results from bad, they will simply assume that what appears in the SERPS is what's on offer, they won't question them.

However I do believe that its forums like this and members of forums like these that start internet trends and over a given amount of time would be able to influence colleagues and other office workers, family members, friends, etc to use other engines - and that's where the danger lies, that's why Google and all other engines follow these forums so closely. Not because they care about our sites and how well we've done this month. No chance, it's purely to keep everything smoothed over when that brown substance hits the fan.

I think Google is broken (how else do you explain a PR0 in #1 position) but they'll obviously never admit to it, and when it's fixed which will be next update sometime we'll all be happy again and you won't see the word "ATW" mentioned in the Google News forum for another .... I dunno..... 3 or 4 months.!

My current Google Rank, on a par with ATW at 7/10

rfgdxm1




msg:172054
 11:21 pm on Jun 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>GoogleGuy stated that the addition of spam filters and backlinks would be a rather quick process after the datacenters stabilized.
We're still waiting.

From a later post he seemed to suggest that such wouldn't happen until whenever the next update was.

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