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Is Freshbot now Deepbot?
The line is getting drawn ever thinner

 4:18 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've seen several postings about this now in the last few days, although this is my first actual experience of it.

I'm being hit very hard by google's freshbot at the moment, and going deep too. At first glance at what is currently going on with the little guys, I had to check and double check that the IP's were 64.... (they are).

It's behaviour, in terms of hard hitting and depth of crawl (it's going through the entire site) is more like the character of the old deepbot.

In fact, it's identical behaviour to deepbot the last time it crawled this site back in April.

I'm interested in hearing from others who are seeing the same.




 6:14 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I added pages and pages of fresh content 3 days ago - it is all showing up in the SERPS now so freshbot is definitely crawling.


 6:19 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have noticed a few new pages getting in, But they aren't being dated the way fresh listings used to be. Don't know if this is something for the future or just a temporery glitch.



 7:35 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Freshie's in my logs too -- and still asking for pages I moved months ago. Obviously the lessons of April were not learned.



 9:33 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Had freshbot 7 times since 1 June on a PR6 site (has a PR7 deeper) and 4 times on another PR6 site. There was a gap of 1-2 weeks since the previous visit.

- Ash


 4:03 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Freshie has been hitting one of my sites for a few months now. I put up some new pages a few weeks back but it seems he just doesn't want to take a look! On my other sites freshie is always eager for a new tipple and dives straight into the the new content pages. Anyone else notice this? The links are right there but he just doesn't want to know, instead he keeps sniffing out the old pages but there is nothing really going on there!

Any ideas?


 4:13 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

No problem getting new stuff here. Do you have links to these new pages on your strongest PR page?


 4:54 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yeah on my idex page PR5, same as other sites. Can't understand it but something is causing freshie to turn his nose up!


 7:29 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Freshbot keeps hitting the same pages again and again. I know we won't know until GG decides to inform us or the event is upon us when a real crawl will come again, but I was wondering if any new sites are getting fresh pages crawled...or is G stale for new sites as well?


 7:34 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I created about a dozen new pages yesterday night and today morning and freshbot came about 5 minutes later and picked up all of them. ;)


 7:41 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I had a 150 pages crawled in the last day or so but I think there's not a new one in the bunch. Oh well.


 7:48 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think it is feeling guilty in my case since its elder sister (brother?) lost all except the index page it crawled during April. Trying to make up for that, perhaps.


 9:05 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

My site is about PR1 (the best in my cat are PR3, and several years older than mine, so I'm not worried) so freshbot doesn't come by to get my new pages (kinda sucks). But the freshie-as-deepbot has been slowing crawling my site this month, and it keeps asking for pages that were 301-redirected several months ago.

I know it's already been established that Googlebot doesn't seem to "know" about the April deepcrawl, yada yada. I'm just one more confirmation.

It is frustrating, though.


 9:18 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yeah. We may have to wait what, another 4 weeks or so? Plenty of time to work on more food for "G". I know I've got lots of food waiting :)


 9:30 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>i'm seeing freshbot daily

But are you seeing the pages the FB grabs show up in the index? From what I'm seeing, the FB system is only funtioning properly for those pages coming from sites that were already in the Feb/March db.

On new sites, FB is crawling regularly, but those new pages aren't showing up.


 9:34 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

yes i'm getting hundreds of pages crawled nearly every day and only my homepage is being updated in the index.


 9:36 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm getting hits to PDF files from freshbot. Is this normal freshbot behaviour? I can't rememeber seeing this before.


 9:41 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

freshbot is cwraling but, no fresh tags on my sites.(these sites are a few months old and got struck down with alot of other sites when googlegonewild made its grand apperents).



 8:59 am on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see freshie everyday. new pages crawled, not showing up in index.

Changes I make on the homepage are grabbed and in the index within 2 days.

On another site I have, created 2 months back, while fb/gb has visited it several times, still does not show up in the index. not even the homepage. while ATW has eaten up all pages.


 9:57 am on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I seeing Freshie a lot too and some pages added.... it seems

This site first got PR4 in April, then PR evaporated during DOM. Presently keeps flipping between showing 153 pages allinurl and 98!

Have been getting traffic from new pages and not finding them listed amongst the 153...

Weird sh1t!


 8:30 am on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a brand new website. Googlebot has been spidering it for the last three weeks. I log everything. Currently googlebot has fetched about 60000 pages from my website. But only a few are visible in google. When doing a match on the pages in google and the logs i found a similarity! Only pages that was spidered by googlebot ip are visible in Google!

Can anyone else confirm this?



 12:24 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

It is the freshbot. Do a site search for "freshbot" and you will find out what is happening.
I can tell that it is normal.


 12:28 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

You have a NEW site.... and it has 60.000 pages?


 1:38 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Rugles, I know it's freshbot. The interesting is that only the pages that are requested from ip (not the other freshbot ips) gets in the index.

Perplexed, Yes, it's dynamic.



 5:05 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

The "newest" index page of one of my sites has been up in google for 3 to 4 weeks now. But my new internal pages which were updated with the index page show the old result/cache at google. This pattern shows freshbot behaviour, but that should only last for 1 or 2 days .. this has been there for 3 to 4 weeks. Can anybody explain this pattern? Or is this an indication that deepbot is crawling?


 5:11 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wondering too on Fresh vs Deepbot behavior. My site is regularly crawled (every other day) by freshbots, but none of the pages are added. Cache has been refreshed on some of the main pages, but still have old cache for most of the site. Is this the freshbot doing some freshbot work (refreshing some cache) and otherwise doing deepbot work (just gathering pages for the "next" google index update?


 12:49 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm still only seeing Freshie. No Deep crawl for the last 3-4 months for me. Even so, Freshie is only spidering the odd page here and there. I don't understand why my site gets so little attention, its over 3 years old and new content is added nearly every month. Maybe Google has penalized me for some obscure reason...


 1:12 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm still only seeing Freshie

That's all that's been around for everyone since the April crawl, (except for one post I read by someone saying they had 216.239 around regularly... you had to wonder if they meant 216.39).

Maybe Google has penalized me for some obscure reason...

From reading posts here of people who actually were penalized, it seemed to me that google would continue crawling the site even if it were penalized. I'm not 100% on that, but the reasons for freshie not visiting often might be related more to your incoming links, PR etc.

No Deep crawl for the last 3-4 months for me

That seems odd... you should have had at least two deepcrawls in that time.


 1:35 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Pricey, you show only 4 backlinks, one from your own site,(grey-barred), one DMOZ, (cat is PR5 but with a lot of links on it), one Google directory, (PR4), and a linking firm that I can't quite figure out...

You need more incoming links and to be sure of what that link company is doing.

Added: you might consider shortening the title somewhat, though I doubt that that is your problem.


 5:30 am on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey, I think that a lot of people have noticed that freshbot is crawling deeper into websites where the deepbot used to explore.


 5:35 am on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hint, hint...


 7:43 am on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's some weird freshbot-related behavior I've noticed on one of my sites:

For the past week and a half or so, google's cache of my site has been from April 2nd, and it would show up in SERPs corresponding to the content it had at that time. This obviously was quite undesirable for everyone involved. All this was despite fresh content and frequent freshbot visits to both my homepage and deeper pages. Just now it was updated to a version maybe 36 hours old (just the homepage, all other pages are still old caches), but doing an allinurl:mydomain.com search, the homepage shows up as the very last result. I can't be 100% sure since I haven't bothered watching SERPs for 2+ months old content, but I believe my SERPs are lower for everything occuring on the homepage as well.

I realize this is something of a transitional period, but if this is what we can expect from a supposedly deepfreshbot/continuous update system, then something is broken. Its like a freshbot penalty...WTH?

[edited by: Dolemite at 7:46 am (utc) on June 13, 2003]

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