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link pages being removed?
site has good PR, links page has PR0 or not indexed.
moehits




msg:185238
 5:24 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not sure if this has been discussed, or just a coincidence but,...

I'm seeing quite a few sites with good PR on all pages except their links page. These pages had PR before, now they are either PR0, or grey ( not indexed ).

It seems it's more consistent at sites that have just one links page with multiple topics on it, sites with multiple links pages (directory style links pages) on topic seem OK.

the consitencies I see are:

Most have link text pointing to them called links
Most are called links.htm or have links in the URL.
Most are 1 page, multi-topic links pages, e.g., there is no targeted theme to the page, anything from greeting cards to health sites all on same page.

Could these be mistaken for FFA's?

I haven't checked fully, but many are listed on "link trading" sites. Maybe peple have created link farms and don't realize it?

I've seen this on many sites. It doesn't seem like a coincidence.

 

Powdork




msg:185239
 5:35 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oh my gosh. My resources page has pr 0 (white bar):(
This page is all on topic with only about 40 links. It does show up when doing site:mydomain.com. it does not show up as a backlink. It was previously a pr 4

affiliateguy




msg:185240
 5:36 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a full directory of hundreds of pages named site.com/links/ that is now showing a PR0 and I dont know why, the rest of the site is fine. The links section is a script run list of real estate agents directory divided up by state. I sure hope that the word "Link" is being singled out somehow?

Marcia




msg:185241
 5:42 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was just horrified to see a whole site show PR0, but after navigating and clicking back and forth it's now showing PR. It looks like there's something going on with the toolbar PR. Sometimes in the past it's shown grey at a point during updates, but this probably isn't near the same thing.

engine




msg:185242
 5:45 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Using "link" (and "directory") as the page name has been a no-no for some time. Use more creative and useful resource names for these pages that will carry relevancy.
FFA pages often contain many more links than a smaller, true resource of links and FFAs are very obvious to spot, too.

moehits




msg:185243
 5:45 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)


I'm hoping it's just a bug in the toolbar too.

I just wanted to see if anyone else was seeing this.

Powdork




msg:185244
 5:46 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Marcia,
My pr went back to 4 for the resources page, but then back to 0. Maybe the toolbar is querying a database that is being changed currently. I fear the 0 is the upcoming index.

Powdork




msg:185245
 5:56 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Using "link" (and "directory") as the page name has been a no-no for some time. Use more creative and useful resource names for these pages that will carry relevancy.

Do you mean the page Title or the url?
In my case, the url is resources.htm. Bad i presume.
The Title is "Business Name-Additional Resources for Keywords and Keywords"

aroach




msg:185246
 5:58 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

It has got to be that the update isn't finished or something. There is no rhyme or reason to the PR of the pages at my main site.

I have deep content pages with the same PR as my main index page. My main shopping page (the index.html page of the shopping directory) has been PR0'd but the deeper shopping pages have PR's of 3 and 4 except for some of them are grey-barred. The only place these deeper shopping pages are linked to from is the main shopping page which was PR0'd. No pattern to which ones are which as far as grey bar, PR3 or PR4. Seems totally random.

I don't much care if Google PR0's my shopping pages since they really are just on-topic affiliate links. As long as people can find my content pages I'll be happy with that. My only concern is if this apparent penalty to the shopping pages bleeds over to the rest of the site.

rfgdxm1




msg:185247
 6:01 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

HOLY MERDE! I just checked my links.htm page, which has all of 3 links on it. PR0. And, these 3 links are *to sites related to the topic of my site*. This links page is linked to off my PR6 home page. It's gotta be the page name. No way an algo would think a page with just 3 links to related sites would be anything particularly fishy.

pageoneresults




msg:185248
 6:03 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a full directory of hundreds of pages named site.com/links/.

Would that directory happen to be auto-generated. I'm with engine on this one, stay away from the file name links as it has had its share of abuse over the years and I think Google either downgrades those pages, penalizes them, or doesn't index them.

If you find you've got a page or pages on your site that appear to be lacking in PR or have no PR when they should, I might consider dropping those pages or rebuilding them under another file name.

I believe another factor is the formatting of the links pages themselves. Pages with just links don't do as well as pages with links and descriptions and other elements.

P.S. I also think another contributing factor is the quality of those links. Keep a watchful eye on the PR of those sites that you are linking to. If any of those sites have PR0 and are linking back to you, there may be some issues.

We've had lots of discussions surrounding this topic. My feeling is if you have a disproportionate amount of outbounds links to PR0, then penalities may be imposed.

athinktank




msg:185249
 6:07 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

For me I see intermitent results, sometimes pr2, sometimes pr0 on my "link" type site. I think that it is a toolbar issue.

mogwai




msg:185250
 6:10 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

This is happening on one of my sites.

I have a directory of resources separated into 6 categories, no spam links, all useful stuff with about 10 links per category. Half of them are now PR0.

All of the pages are category_links.html

If this is one of the new spam filters it managed to zero out half of my useful resources section, I look forward to seeing others being applied!

requiem




msg:185251
 6:10 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Strange, in one of my private site every page with more than
10 external links are now Pagerank 0, all of my other pages have maintained their pagerank 3 to 5. The site in question is a local business directory. One each next to each external link I have a internal link to a page with futher information about the business in question, these pages have maintained their pagerank 3 but is only linked to from the now pagerank 0 pages.

I guess Google is just testing a new algo?

pageoneresults




msg:185252
 6:16 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google may be targeting the Portal Concept. Remember over a year ago everyone rushed to establish industry specific portals to help improve their PR.

Google effectively wiped out a whole group of portals in the past 12 months from a variety of resources. I think most of us will agree that a majority of the links pages out there are just that, links pages. They serve no real value and most of the time offer no real quality resources.

I'm not saying this is the case with anyone posting in this thread, its just something to watch out for.

parabola




msg:185253
 6:17 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the same thing on multiple sites. It is NOT just on pages named or with the words links or resources either. It seems to be on all pages that have a bunch of links on them.

Powdork




msg:185254
 6:17 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

We've had lots of discussions surrounding this topic. My feeling is if you have a disproportionate amount of outbounds links to PR0, then penalities may be imposed.

Is it possible that with the many backlinks missing we are linking to some pr 0 sites that normally have pr.
Could they also have added a filter for pages which are adding a lot of links?

mrguy




msg:185255
 6:18 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Do all of you with links pages that are now pro have the word "link or links" in the page name?

links.html

My pages do not have the word or anything remotely like it in the name, and they appear to be fine for now.

badger_uk




msg:185256
 6:24 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just checked my links page (links.htm) and it's gone from PR4 to a grey bar. What the hell is going on with this update?

badgeruk

abaldino




msg:185257
 6:26 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a links.htm with about 70 outbound links on it that is still showing pr4.

requiem




msg:185258
 6:47 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just had a closer look. One of my pages with 19 outward links still has pagerank 4! The thing that makes this page different is that it has its own backlinks. But still, it not more or less useful than my other link pages. It is not a ban since all of the pages still are in the Google index.
I belive Google is just testing a new algo, and the change in PR will not be permanent.

Yidaki




msg:185259
 6:50 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'd second pageoneresults guess at message #11. I wonder why nobody else also agreed yet to what he said: don't link to bad neighbourhood!

Powdork,

>Is it possible that with the many backlinks missing we are linking to some pr 0 sites that normally have pr.

Oh, ah, yep, sure! Are their any pages you link to that have a pr0? Is their pr changing / unstable? I'm pretty sure you link to one or more pages that are penalized themselfs.

bonanza




msg:185260
 6:52 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see some links pages (not named "links", but one has "links" in the anchor text) that have become PR0.

Clicking back and forth to these sometimes results in PR0, other times results in their former PR.

This behavior doesn't happen to sibling pages.

Something's up...

Sunny_M




msg:185261
 7:11 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Some of my sites have no PR anymore. The toolbar is grey, not even 0/10 in white. There are some sentences starting with 'Links' on my main page. A few sites still have the old PR and when I check all of my content sometimes there is a PR and sometimes it's all grey.
I think there is something wrong with the toolbar b/c all of my keywords still appear at #2 - (www, -sj and -fi)

rfgdxm1




msg:185262
 7:16 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Could they also have added a filter for pages which are adding a lot of links?

But then why my little links page with all of 3 links being PR0? These are to related sites, and would pass any hand check if the question was raised these links were just to raise PR. I can only imagine it was the name of the page. Looks like Google is now zapping legit links pages also.

netnerd




msg:185263
 7:19 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

My links pages are now a white bar except for one that is in DMOZ!

netnerd




msg:185264
 7:21 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

And one has a grey bar! Goodness me!

[edited by: netnerd at 7:24 pm (utc) on May 19, 2003]

pageoneresults




msg:185265
 7:22 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

netnerd, we understand your frustration. Could you please edit your post to remove the profanity. I'm surprised it made it past the bad word filter. ;)

Sunny_M




msg:185266
 7:25 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

It just changed to the old PR. It seems to be a temporary problem.

Wouldn't it be good to degrade all these links-sites out there? A link should be more relevant when it comes from a content-page. There are too many sites offering 100s of reciprocal links. Isn't it true that most of you prefer PR7 backlinks from a main site and not from a ./directory/reciprocal-links.html?

netnerd




msg:185267
 7:25 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Better? lol

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