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update confusion: sites missing, serps fluctuating
up and down
oliphaunt

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Msg#: 13187 posted 3:39 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a sites, which was no. 2 for widgets and a PR5, now I have a PR6, not changing anything on the site and am on position 39.

Several of my other domains have done similar confusing things and I donīt have any clue.

2 new sites, which got deepcrawled like 3 weeks ago, are not showing up in the serps and have no PR, therefore I think the real update hasnīt happened yet.

What is your suggestion, have a holiday and come back in a week?

 

Caschi

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Msg#: 13187 posted 3:59 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

@Nick_W

the domain have 10 subdomains.

I link from the domain to all subdomains and back.

i ever think its ok.

Nick_W

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:01 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, that goes beyond my expertise but, I think that's the problem (the most obvious one anyway..).

Nick

Caschi

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:13 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

ok when that is the problem, and i fix the links what must can i do that my site re enter @ google index?

Andrew Thomas

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Msg#: 13187 posted 9:48 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I noticed this morning that my PR has moved up from 3 to 4, but over half my baclinks have gone, id of thought this would have made my pagerank drop, not go up

any ideas

Alphawolf

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Msg#: 13187 posted 9:57 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Maybe a link or two of yours got a PR pop, in turn passing you some of the goods. maybe you were a n.9 and it took little to bounce you up the next PR.

Or- toolbar issue. Clear cache, close broswer, open and refresh many times. See if it sticks.

If you're unhappy about it- send it to me. I'll take good care of your extra PR. :)

AW

Andrew Thomas

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Msg#: 13187 posted 10:05 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks - Alphawolf

Not unhappy - just surprised :)

As i didnt do anything the last month in terms of getting extra links/content, i sit on my backside get less backlinks and go up in PR - sounds good, maybe i should do the same for next month hehe

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 13187 posted 10:20 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

We've noticed that we've been freshbotted quite heavily over the last 3-4 days but no sight of the data on sj, fi or www.

Anyone have any ideas on where this data is ending up? Seems little point in google collecting it if it's not actually being used.

Thanks,

TJ

spikedo55

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Msg#: 13187 posted 12:57 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Eessh. My site has all of a sudden disappeared from the Google listing for my primary keyword, not unlike what happened to others here as I've been reading. In fact, the search results for this keyword looked as if they were going back to a month before my site was added to the index. I checked all 5 servers and all had the same results except the second one, which showed my site where it had been for the past month. I'm not whining or anything like that, but it is disconcerting. If anyone can offer a word or two of hope, enlightment, etc., I would appreciate that.

textex

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Msg#: 13187 posted 12:59 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Spikedo55,
Same thing here. How old is your site? My site got in the April index.

reneewood

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Msg#: 13187 posted 1:08 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's your hope...my site was also newly indexed in April. I was #7 or so for my keyword phrases. My site's homepage completely disappeared and was gone for over a week. It finally turned up again about 3 days ago in a better position than before. Still missing a few backlinks. Until the updated index rolls over to www, there's nothing to worry about.

spikedo55

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Msg#: 13187 posted 1:13 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Textex,
My site was created in January and made it into the Google index in February. I started at position #130 for my primary keyword and then in March jumped up to the top 5. That's where I've been since then. Today, I can't even find my site in the first 150 listings. Man, I hope this is temporary because my site was on a roll and it could of been my best month yet.

Reneewood,
Thanks for the kind words.

Alby

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Msg#: 13187 posted 1:14 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

There are several of us that believe that Google has introduced a new filter for some sites that have too many links with "perfect" keyword anchortext. I would suggest anyone who used to rank well and still ranks well when doing an allinanchor: search to take part in this discusion:

[webmasterworld.com...]

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 13187 posted 1:48 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Alby, if that semi-penalty is the case, then google must have devised some kind of AI lateral thinking algo as a means of determining relevance. I'm not 100% convinced by the argument, but I'll watch this space.

In any event, aren't we all in the same boat? I mean, if anchortext no longer carries any weight (and I don't think it could qualify as even a semi-penalty as it's outside the webmasters control) it's the same for everyone.

Sites that have been well-optimised will still perform well. At the moment, we know from GG that the spam filters have not been fully implemented yet, so the spammers currently are in the lead. That was not the case last month. When that finishes (and it will) I suspect the SERPS will return to something not so radically different to last month.

TJ

janejanejane

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Msg#: 13187 posted 3:59 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

...between the -sj server and the -dc server?

- And which of the two are reflecting the update?

Thanks.

jaffstar

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:11 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Last month I had a pagerank6 with 390 inbound links. This has been pretty constant for over a year. About 2 days ago, google says I only have 140 inbound link, pagerank is still 6. As a result I have dropped from number 2 for my keyword search to page 3.

Has anyone ever heard about this before?

I have never heard of google actually banning inbound links, but I think it could be starting to happen as they get stricter about reciprocal linking.

h_b_k

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:20 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

look there [webmasterworld.com]

NovaW

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:39 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

-ex seems to be the only server left to update, but the sj/fi index is not the index that has been copied to the other datacenters.

va / dc / ab / zu / cw - do not match -sj or -fi. They kind of look like how -sj looked a week or so back.

So - is it a good assumption that -sj contains an index with some of the filters/links etc rolled back in and the other index's do not - but should convert over to -sj at some future point? ie SJ is ahead of the curve vs the other datacenters? If this is not the case then -sj is not being used because the data in the datacenters does not match sj

cindysunc

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:41 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Was deepcrawl lost? I rememeber GoogleGuy saying update will take more than days less than months. Not month, but months. Maybe they need to do another crawl. How about a yes or no as if this "dance" will be done this month or not.

spikedo55

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:54 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is there a tool that can show you're google rank on each of the servers at once?

TheComte

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:56 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

have a holiday and come back in a week?

Yeah, I think that's the order of the day. Google is currently showing us that relevance is not important, for the near term anyway. Do a search on MSN. Google may come back eventually, but for now, there are probably better searches you can do on better search engines. It may take the public a while to realize the problems though.

abcdef

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Msg#: 13187 posted 4:59 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

funny NovaW

we, who admittedly are not advanced understanders of Google, have been saying for days that -sj and -fi have not been circulating in www while we see many posts from other people insisting these indices are propagating to the other ones.

we don't see anything is propagating anywhere. these all appear to separate indexes, including www., and staying separate and changing within themselves, including www., or not.

and to take exception to one of you observations. we haven't seen any changes in -sj SERP results, since we started looking at it weeks ago now. at least where we are looking.

We believe Google is taking different sets of data for the most part, and applying new things to each of them, including www., and observing the differences themselves an presuming when they are happy with the results on the data in one step, than moving on to the next step of the step process GG has outlined.

spikedo55

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:00 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Having looked at the result for the servers, it looks as if the results for all the servers are months old. I'm telling myself, this can't be it.

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:07 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is there a tool that can show you're google rank on each of the servers at once?

If you mean page rank then you can do that with a program called "ABC PR".

I can't remember the site I downloaded it from but it was that one mentioned in a thread a few days ago which contains info all about google (including links back to threads on here).

TJ

abcdef

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:11 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

when it seems the need arises, GG has been kind of enough to give us a picture of what some of the people in the cubicles and offices in Google around the country might be be doing right now and the program for change (in Google parlance- improvement).

I could only imagine there are people at Google looking at and comparing the various data sets just like the posters at the forum...

the only difference, they know what they are looking for and we don't. which makes it more fun for us. haha

NovaW

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:16 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

yeah - right now there seem to be different indexes

Old Index - cx / in (probably soon to switch)

sj - This changed a few days back

fi - has been fairly steady

Other Index (looks like sj did a week or so ago) - va dc zu cw

abcdef - sj definately changed end of last week - at least for the keywords I look at.

Not sure why people are saying sj is copying over to the other datacenters - it isn't. Maybe a version of sj is, but the 4 datacenters so far that have been "assimilated" are not even a close match to sj or fi

abcdef

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:23 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

yeah NovaW

we could indeed be missing changes within each index. there is only so often we can peek at them.

but you also reinforce our idea that different indices are not propagating anywhere.

as Marcia the moderator mentioned a few hundred posts back. for the most part, stick with www. as THE observation tower and you probably can't go to far off in the end.

the others.. probably very helpful to the Google team implementing this change, and a curiosity to the rest of us.

Critter

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:32 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Actually both -ex and -in have to update to the new index yet.

Peter

TheComte

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:32 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Clean up your act, then send a mail to google with reinclusionrequest in the subject

That's odd that you would say that. Most of us haven't done anything wrong. The spam sites are at the top and don't require emails to Google. Take a look around before you make accusations.

spikedo55

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:32 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I found the french version of abc-pr. Interestingly, it shows no back links for my site, which may explain why my Google listing has been dopped completely. When backlinks are added, hopefully I'll shoot up again.

Does anyone know where I can get the english version of this program?

abcdef

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 13187 posted 5:33 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

in the beginning we used to think it didn't make much sense having these datacenters online if they were testing implementation of changes.

but we have changed our view as time went on. they were in the testing, offline, stage way before this.

this is not a test. this implementation over time and as they are ready to move forward from step a to step b, etc.

there probably are good reasons these various databases are online, and i don't recall how the DNS for all of these other indexes became known to the forum in the first place..... who did supply them or have they been around for awhile?

GG's answer is pretty straightforward: If you don't like what you are seeing on them, than don't look at them. Nobody at Google asked you to. Is the read that I get. However if you want to look at them, he is happy to review posts for interesting observations and help out when he, is also the read that I get.

TheComte

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Msg#: 13187 posted 5:45 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

GG's answer is pretty straightforward: If you don't like what you are seeing on them, than don't look at them.

I think you are probably right. It appears with the upcoming IPO that they are moving away from computer scientists and leaning on the MBAs for advice. Course we all know what that means. Goodbye, Google.

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