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Critter




msg:170011
 7:14 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

-va just updated to the new index...

This may take less time than I originally thought :)

Further to my post concerning "The Google Update Schedule": it now looks like the datacenters are *indeed* being updated in parallel, and we will see the -sj index in all probably within the next few days.

Peter

[edited by: Critter at 7:18 pm (utc) on May 17, 2003]

 

AthlonInside




msg:170012
 7:17 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, it is funny tough I keep refreshing my SERPs and keep different results - old, new, old, new ...

Actually I see 2 version, old, SJ and FI. COME ON, TAKE SJ!

[edited by: AthlonInside at 7:18 pm (utc) on May 17, 2003]

Critter




msg:170013
 7:18 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

That's the fun in it! :)

Peter

mrguy




msg:170014
 7:20 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I know GG says to wait!

But it sure sucks seeing your links gone as well as hard won positions that took months to get plummet 5 or 6 pages.

It will take some getting used to this new method of updating.

pageoneresults




msg:170015
 7:20 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

What do you think about this...

Google is now in a constant state of flux. There will no longer be any major updates as they will occur on an ongoing basis.

Google is now randomizing the results between the different datacenters, hence the reason for all these update threads.

No more monthly updates as they were known in the past. Users in different parts of the world will see different indexes from what we see in our part of the world. Our world will change daily, hence keeping all of you update watchers in constant flux.

If that happens, and there is a randomized set of results from a new perpetual update algo, how are any of you going to get any work done? ;)

eraldemukian




msg:170016
 7:23 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Saw dominic now on

sj
va (flickering with C-Version)
dc
fi
cw

Looks like as if the google-schism will soon be over.

drewls




msg:170017
 7:24 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

This isn't a randomized anything. It's a systematic change on a per-datacenter basis. That's it. Right now, -va is bouncing back and forth just like -dc was yesterday. It will soon stablize. Then Google will continue to update other datacenters. When that's done, they will add in all the backlinks and the full April deep crawl data.

Has their been a change here? Yes, but not enough information has been given to determine whether or not they are changing to a rolling update.

Critter




msg:170018
 7:24 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well folks, I believe that we'll probably have most of these issues cleaned up before month-end...or *very* shortly afterwards.

Give us another couple days for the datacenters to sync, then a few weeks for backlinks/data to be brought in--it'll be a slow process, but we'll be lucky enough to see things improving on a daily basis until it settles.

Probably should get ready for deep to come within the next couple weeks too; oh oh, been posting too much and working too little!

Augh!

Peter

dmorison




msg:170019
 7:31 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

About time. Google have finally realised that they cannot return the same results for the same keyword every time.

The web is now too big for that. They would get their ass sued off if they started giving too much of a competitive advantage to #1 position for keyword X every time.

Critter




msg:170020
 7:32 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

DOOD...SERIOUSLY...MAN...

It's just bouncing until it settles.

Peter

albert




msg:170021
 7:36 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google is now in a constant state of flux. There will no longer be any major updates as they will occur on an ongoing basis.

I'm not sure, pageoneresults.

Maybe they've made those major changes only in this May update (and let us observe it for some reason I don't know), and come back to business as usual after Dominic has finished.

But it's still reading tea leaves ...

pageoneresults




msg:170022
 7:36 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's just bouncing until it settles.

There won't be any settling. It will now be constant flux. Just when you think it's all settled down, boom, another randomizing of the SERPs takes place.

I should point out that my comments in this thread are my opinion only and do not reflect the opinions of WebmasterWorld in general.

Critter




msg:170023
 7:40 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wanna bet? :)

Peter

pageoneresults




msg:170024
 7:46 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sure! I'll bet you that the update threads continue to be posted daily. I'd also be willing to bet that Google has somehow figured out a way to maintain a perpetual update of its billions of pages.

mipapage




msg:170025
 8:05 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sort of on topic here, to do with -va anyway:

Yesterday on -cw and right now on -va, I am seeing some great spam free serps for a group of the terms that I watch. I find this encouraging, and wanted to provide some hope for those doing spam combat, and tell GoogleGuy "Good Job" (if these are spam filters at work ;-] )


An interesting FYI: these serps, the spam-free-results that I am seeing, are very similar to the results that I was getting for these searches on!Yahoo and Alexa last month. That's right, for these searches last month I was seeing different results on!Yahoo and Alexa vs. Google. I wonder if they were testing out some spam filters...
mrguy




msg:170026
 9:29 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's not so much the random results that worry me.

What is worring me is that it is taking so long to bring in back links with the all important anchor text.

In many cases that anchor text can make all the difference in the world.

So, with this new rolling update, how is the calculation of links going to work? It appears that the link calculation will take place towards the end of what ever is happening so we are still at a monthly "update" so to speak with the serps bouncing up and and down during the month based on freshbot activity and whatever the last index it is pulling the links from.

At least that is what it appears like to me.

promis




msg:170027
 5:17 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

-va just entered the game. Here in Cyprus it's 8.15 am. -va came in 24 hours after -dc.

adsoft13




msg:170028
 12:56 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Pete,

I like your point ...

Looks like we need separate group "google dance" ;)

Critter




msg:170029
 6:22 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

-zu has just joined the rest of the datacenters in displaying the -sj index.

Welcome to the party...fashionably late.

6 down--3 to go

Peter

gpmgroup




msg:170030
 5:20 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi the new index appears to be on www all the time now in the UK

taskmaster




msg:170031
 5:42 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have also seen some of the results in www from -sj.www, but it is a darn long update this time, but it is true what Googleguy says that even if the links back is gone in half, the ranks are still the same. I have noticed this cut in links back for the last tree month, but this month was the biggest cut, mostly internal links, but I dont complain I still have over 600.000 uniques a month.

taskmaster

FrankWeb




msg:170032
 5:48 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yeap, here in NL also the new results...

Too bad, I was happy with the old www

Critter




msg:170033
 6:25 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

To replace "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" with "Kung-Fu":

Patience, Grasshopper.

Peter

needinfo




msg:170034
 6:00 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I seem to remember somewhere Googleguy saying that our backlinks would be added back. I have read everybody stating that this is the case but I've just spent the last 1/2 hour looking for his comments but can't find them.

The reason i ask is bacause the new results seem to have been stuck to WWW for a long time continuously today here in the UK.

needinfo




msg:170035
 6:17 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I really can't believe that we've got this new index sticking on WWW without adding in some sites backlinks. This has left a lot of sites who previously ranked well on the top page being shown an much lower pages.

It just seems totally crazy to me...

g1smd




msg:170036
 6:34 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Lovely! Let some of the underdogs be top of the pile for a while.

In a worldwide search for "widgets" there doesn't seem to be any valid reason why any one site should be #1 in the listings every time and forever.

soapystar




msg:170037
 6:35 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

It just seems totally crazy to me...

if i only had a pound each time.......


Marcia




msg:170038
 6:35 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

We've had 9 threads with about 300 posts each, which makes it close to 3K posts about an update that hasn't happened yet.

All we can assume now is that all Google has been doing is testing and moving data around between data centers during the process. Until - and IF - new results migrate to www all over, which as of now they haven't, there really isn't an update to speak of. If and when that occurs, then we can talk about the changes, once we've had a chance to digest and analyze.

Otherwise, for all practical purposes and in response to popular demand, the update discussion is over, which gives us all a chance to get back to work.

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