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The Google Update Schedule Thoughts
Gleaned from datacenter updates
Critter




msg:218271
 3:02 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey all:

This is a recap and a prediction topic.

Recall that GG said that the -sj index would move to the other datacenters, then we would see backlinks/spam filters applied across the board.

If this is the case, and if the d.c. datacenter (-dc) just got the -sj index (I saw it bouncing around last night actually); and the cable & wireless (-cw) datacenter got the index on the 15th. *Then* it seems we have 2 days for the index to be propagated to each datacenter (this is a worst-case scenario, as the datacenters may be updated in parallel and may all pop up with the -sj index very shortly).

Since we have 5 datacenters left to go, that brings us 10 days in the future for all datacenters to given the -sj index...which brings us to the 27th. At this time we should see the backlinks/spam filters being applied at every datacenter as deltas/patches (if you will) and the real "dance" will be underway. It will, of course, take considerably less time.

Notice that the prediction of the 27th is, in my opinion, a worst-case scenario; we will most likely see things happen sooner.

Peter

 

GoogleGuy




msg:218451
 3:40 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

"As if he would admit it if Google screwed up?"

Ahem. :) rfgdxm1, I've been more than willing to own up when there's an issue or glitch at our end. See for example
[webmasterworld.com...]
[webmasterworld.com...]
[webmasterworld.com...]

This is just my take, but I don't think it helps anybody to have folks call other people dancing monkeys, or post claiming "BŁ*LLSH!T" in all caps, or virtually jump out of windows. If people have constructive comments for this index, I gave a method back in msg #24 of giving us specific searches or types of searches that you consider good or bad. I just checked, and I don't mind telling you that so far it's a single digit number of reports. I'm guessing that number will go up at least some after this reminder post :) but if you have specific searches or suggestions to pass on, that's probably the best way to get them to us.

Anon27




msg:218452
 3:51 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks GG;

I will will post.

As a side note, can we get an "update" as to the status of this update?

Thanks,

Critter




msg:218453
 3:52 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey GG:

You folks over there at Google didn't happen to hire Orson Welles to do this update, didja?

j/k of course :)

Peter

deanril




msg:218454
 3:52 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy I have read a bazillion post ect. Would it just be possible to make a Topic saying.

Google is doing exactly this:
#1 #2 #3

We could all just kick it, at that point, maybe "we will be done on the 27th"

Is that too much to ask?

lazyz




msg:218455
 3:58 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy is taking a beating - just for being a nice guy... as it is in real life... Good guys don't always win...

wackmaster




msg:218456
 4:02 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

<The depth of "panic" around here at the moment is related to the uncertainty of the final result.>

I think this comment a few pages back was spot on...except that I'd add to it the following: The depth of the the frustration was increased dramatically then these wacko results started going live.

Dominic was a concern to many right from the get-go, but GG kept saying that in essence it would all come out in the wash... THAT reassurance was enough to keep many of us webmasters on the (sane?) side of the fence... UNTIL this experiment went live. :-0

Now these cra**y results are showing up all over the place, as 0/9 crazed data centers turned into 2/9, then 3/9, then 5/9, now 7/9...

I'll defend Google's right to do whatever the heck they want; it's their company. But if it were my company...well, someone might be looking for a job right now.

At times, GG takes the "stay patient" tack. That's when it's being implied that it will all sort out when the backlinks return, new index gets added, etc. But at other times, it seems that GG is implying that G is happy with the -fi etc results RIGHT NOW. And that would seem to make sense, or they would not set these SERP's loose on an unsuspecting public.

Well if Google is happy with what we're looking at, then we should worry. If Google is not happy yet, why did they release these VARIABLE SERP's.

GG, if you could answer that question, at least one person around here might sleep a little better...

And as to why no more SPAM reports have been filed, perhaps it has to do with the fact that we keep being told to WAIT because things will change?

Anon27




msg:218457
 4:02 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy is taking a beating - just for being a nice guy... as it is in real life... Good guys don't always win...

Yeh, yeh, whatever. I am a loser too. Now shut up and let GG speak :)

j/k...

Staza




msg:218458
 4:02 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)


Give it up Deanril - ive already tried to ask that several time now of GoogleGuy... all we are asking of him is to just answer a few simple questions rather than providing more cryptic riddles:

1 - Is this the REAL update?... If not, when will the REAL update begin (approx)?
2 - Will all the backlinks eventually be added back?
3 - In the future, will there be a periodic update as in the past, or some sort of ongoing, continual update sa some have theorized is going to happen from now on?

It has become obvious to me that GoogleGuy either does not know the answer to these questions, or he is not allowed to tell us them.

We all should just deal with this and have fun with GG... hes like the Rumplestilskin of WWorld.

wackmaster




msg:218459
 4:04 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

<the Rumplestilskin of WWorld>

Good one!

mrguy




msg:218460
 4:12 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

--<the Rumplestilskin of WWorld>--

I bet he spins gold out of search queries:)

jojojo




msg:218461
 4:16 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

My shrink is concerned about this Dominic fellow...

Kirby




msg:218462
 4:20 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

There are several in this thread who are SEO's. There are others who qualify this by calling themselves 'professional SEO's'. Then there are the few who actually are professional.

GoogleGuy, I know you know the difference and the latter wouldnt blame you if you didn't justify these fools with another post.

Hey folks, I'm not thrilled with what I see, and my traffic and leads are down, so I understand the frustration, but show a little class. Does anyone really think any other SE would allow a resource like GG? I doubt it.

Anon27




msg:218463
 4:28 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

...and the latter wouldnt blame you if you didn't justify these fools with another post

Chill out there cowboy. Everyone needs to make a living.

wackmaster




msg:218464
 4:29 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

hey Kirby...who art thou? Thou art holier than...Everyone?

Didn't like the Rumplestiltskin line? Geez, I hope GG has tougher skin than that...I'm almost sure he does.

Or was it something someone else said?

Stefan




msg:218465
 4:34 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

but I don't think it helps anybody to have folks call other people dancing monkeys

It does if it gets some of them to stop dancing. Maybe I should take back the cool guy part... nah.

rfgdxm1




msg:218466
 4:34 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

>rfgdxm1, I've been more than willing to own up when there's an issue or glitch at our end.

What I mean GG is that if the entire index ever was hosed big time, I have my doubts that the top dogs at the Googleplex would appreciate you pointing out Google was seriously broken. *Not* that I am suggest that necessarily this is the case with this index. Looks to me like it is a work in progress still. And, while at the moment it looks significantly worse than usual for Google, nothing I'd expect would result in people switching to Alltheweb and ask.com in large numbers.

And, there is all the wondering here about data such as backlinks, anchor text, etc. that you say will be added in some unspecified time after the dance is over. Before once the dance was over, that was it until next month's update. If something isn't broke at Google, then the way updates are done is drastically changing.

soapystar




msg:218467
 4:38 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

why would googleguy be inviting spam reports for an update he says isnt finnished and we should wait till the end?.....im not using caps either!

mosley700




msg:218468
 4:44 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've been doing at least a hundred searches each day, and I don't see anything broken. The SERPs look fine to me. Does anybody want to sticky me a search term showing Google's brokenness?

Kirby




msg:218469
 4:48 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

hey Kirby...who art thou? Thou art holier than...Everyone?

If that were the case, I would just ask the Almighty to fix the index and be done with it.

Stefan




msg:218470
 4:51 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

At this point, the shape of the internet is being moulded by what Google likes and doesn't like. This is not good. The net is much bigger than one SE and perhaps people should build their sites as they see best, not in the way that Google likes.

And whether anyone likes the observation or not, there is a serious Stockholm Syndrome in play with many webmasters.

Staza




msg:218471
 4:52 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

"but I don't think it helps anybody to have folks call other people dancing monkeys"

Yes GoogleGuy - you are right - it would do no good to call others Dancing Monkeys... that would be disrespectful. I dont think anyone is personally attacking you. Isnt it ok if we simply point out the fact that your statements are less than helpful and often contradictory? This, afterall, is a discussion board where people can speak their minds (as long as we stay cordial.)

There is something else that I think would be quite disrespectful... that would be to lead us all on here at WWorld, giving us the appearance that you are providing helpful, factual data, but instead give us... lets just say... something less.

Again - we would understand if you dont know or arent allowed to tell us whats really going on with this update - but please just tell us either way!

paulk




msg:218472
 4:55 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

By the time I finished reading this thread I realized I could of made 10 pages of quality content for my site. You people need to relax .......

mrguy




msg:218473
 4:55 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Jeeesh!

Try to add a little levity to this thread and get called a fool!

I thought it was kind of funny and I bet GG got a chuckle out of it too!

Guess it's time to bow out of this thread!

abcdef




msg:218474
 4:58 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

i have emboldened the revelant keywords here, so any one watching can quickly see this is on topic:

here's a THOUGHT, a SCHEDULED THOUGHT.

you do have to admire someone who speaks their mind-
(rfgdxm1), even if they might not have their facts right. and your posts at times really crack me up.

wackmaster- your posts are pretty entertaining at times too.

i read people saying they see -sj on www. i have not once seen -sj on www. i haven't see -fi on www either. i've seen www. change into something other than the April index alot lately. Into exactly what, who knows. Google on valium, maybe.

UPDATE SCHEDULE? ha. Is there ever going to be a regular monthly UPDATE SCHEDULE again?

who knows in this world i ask you? who knows, that can say without losing their jobs and stock options.... and why would they want to do that?

GOOGLE, GOOGLE, GOOGLE (keyword density was low).

say goodnight, gracy

GoogleGuy




msg:218475
 5:05 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sure, Anon27 and deanril. I think the plan will be
1) deploy the new index/system across all data centers
2) begin pulling in more data (i.e. newer backlinks, pages, and spam updates)
3) once new data is into the system, begin pulling in new algorithms that have been waiting in the wings

I believe the current status is that we're around step 1.5 or thereabouts; something like 7 or so data centers have the new index/system. I expect the current pace of switching data centers to continue about as it has been. I would expect step two to occur over roughly the same timeframe as a typical index cycle (thus the "more than weeks, less than months" comment). Step 3 is longer-term and ongoing, but I'm really excited about what we'll be able to do to improve quality across the board.

Hope that helps,
GoogleGuy

(Staza, that should help with your questions: yes, and I believe so to #1 and #2.)

wackmaster




msg:218476
 5:06 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

goodnight, abcdef ;-)

tomorrow, same Bat Time, same Bat Place?

mosley700




msg:218477
 5:11 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

At this point, the shape of the internet is being moulded by what Google likes and doesn't like. This is not good. The net is much bigger than one SE and perhaps people should build their sites as they see best, not in the way that Google likes.

No, it's being molded by what the decocracy of the web likes - that's what Google is all about. Now can we hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

rfgdxm1




msg:218478
 5:16 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I would expect step two to occur over roughly the same timeframe as a typical index cycle (thus the "more than weeks, less than months" comment).

And, what about the *older* data that is not in the index, such as all the people who have reported old backlinks and anchor text going inexplicably MIA? If this will take the same timeframe as a typical index cycle, that means this index will be badly botched for around a month. This is little solace for the webmasters around here whose sites are dying because this old data hasn't been incorporated into this index.

Staza




msg:218479
 5:17 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)


Well I'll be... thanks GoogleGuy!... that sounds like a bonafide, clear cut, riddle-free post!

Sincerely appreciated...

Stefan




msg:218480
 5:18 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Democracy eh.

When the SE mix is more balanced, then we'll have democracy. I expect Google will still be one of the players because of it's quality, but god help us all if what we have now is what we'll always have in the future.

added: sorry, "Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya..."

percentages




msg:218481
 5:23 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy, that was a truely useful post and much appreciated.

Why we have you in such a "free spirit" mood can you please tell us if the monthly (5 weekly...whatever) updates are a thing of the past?

Is this going to be a liquid index of constant change from now on? A simple yes or no will save a zillion threads in the future, and a lot of all of our time :)

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