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Why cant I get to PR5 or PR6
sharplab




msg:188770
 5:30 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi All!

Our site has gotten huge over the last four months. We had 200 pages of content with a PR4. Now we have almost 800 pages of good content and still nothing PR4 STILL! What can we do. We added some links to internal pages on our index page. Could this be the problem? Please help! We are sick of seeing PR4 on the toolbar 100 times per day!

Thanks all you experts out there!

Need super helpful advise please!

Steve,

 

Shak




msg:188771
 5:32 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Steve,

the only advice I can give you is "Remove the Toolbar"

sorry to sound in bad tone, but getting higher PR will NOT help nowhere as much as you think.

Shak

heini




msg:188772
 5:34 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sharplab, are you aware how PR works and what it means?

You need to get links from other sites with high PR.

I would strongly recommend reading the Google Knowledge Base on top of the index page of the Google News forum.

Also use the sitesearch and read Brett's post about Success with Google in 12 months.

Good luck!

Yidaki




msg:188773
 5:36 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Need super helpful advise please!

puhh, don't stress me, please.

>800 pages of good content and still nothing PR4

That sounds pretty good. However, you shouldn't concentrate only on pr. With 800 pr4 pages of real content, you can have more top positions than those who have pr 5 +. As allready said here a million times: low pr pages can easily beat higher pr pages.

FredZeppelin




msg:188774
 5:57 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

As allready said here a million times: low pr pages can easily beat higher pr pages.

Can anyone elaborate on this?
Is this a matter of a relevant page versus an irrelevant
page?

Yidaki




msg:188775
 6:14 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Is this a matter of a relevant page versus an irrelevant page?

IMHO, yes. Relevant pages are pages that are related to a query. PR means popularity of a page in general. Since it's a overall popularity it doesn't automatically say that it's also most relevant for any query for any word of the page. hmmm ... btw, why don't they use popularity of each word / phrase...? Too much computing, or?

Good content, good titles and a good site / linking structure is more important than pr, imho.

heini




msg:188776
 6:30 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>As allready said here a million times: low pr pages can easily beat higher pr pages.

>Can anyone elaborate on this?

Mmm, yes. It's called SEO. :)

PR is only one part of a successfull strategy for Google.
The rest is what a large part of this place is about: Content, Keywords, Coding, Links(not as in PR), Logfile analysis, etc etc.
There's lots to be done for making a site a success, explore!

BigDave




msg:188777
 6:43 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

With a several hundred page site, the PR of your home page is not worth worrying about. That is not where your content is anyway.

What you should be trying to do is raise the PR of your lowest pages. With a PR2 for your lowest pages you should be able to get those paople that are searching on the thousands of weird phrases that you never would have thought to optimize for.

Remember, it is the traffic that counts, not that little green bar. That bar is a tool, nothing more.

WebGuerrilla




msg:188778
 6:51 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


Fred,

I think the easiest way to think of PR is as a sorting function. The first thing that happens is that the total number of relevant documents is looked at. Within that set of pages, there will always be many pages that are more or less equally relevant.

When that occurs, PR determines the order in which the documents are displayed. If you are working in a space where the vast majority of pages are highly optimized, then PR is everything. But if you are working in a less competitive space, then PR isn't as important because there are far fewer pages that would be considered equally relevant (from an on-page perspective).

Now getting back to the original question. The obvious answer is that adding content doesn't directly improve PR. But there is a chance that you might also be seeing the effects of a PR cap.

At PubCon last month, one of the biggest topics of discussion was whether or not Google imposes PR caps on certain keyword topics/categories. The evidence seems to suggest that they do, so it may be that what you are experiencing is the fact that PR4 is simply the max you can achieve within your space.

So the question becomes what is your PR in relation to your competitors?

farside847




msg:188779
 8:56 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

heck, I have 35,000 pages indexed and my home page is
only PR5. I need to get more quality sites linking to me...

jk3210




msg:188780
 9:48 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I need to get more quality sites linking to me...<<

I once launched a new site that only had 1 link from a PR3 page and 1 link from a PR7 page.

When the new site emerged in the serps, it was a PR6.

(Added:) So, yes, quality is important.

John_Creed




msg:188781
 11:11 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Submit your site to dmoz.org if you havent already. It will take a while before it's accepted(if at all), but it's been my experience that a dmoz listing in a good catagory can be a HUGE boast to a sites PR.

Also, try getting your link on a few PR 5+ sites.

Do you have good internal linking within ALL your pages?

Over-all, as long as you already have good position in the serps... I woudn't worry too much about PR.

farside847




msg:188782
 11:18 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have been waiting forever for dmoz to list me. Almost
4 months now. I have held back from bugging the editor
but now I think I might have to email him. I already
tried getting the status on the forum page, and they
said wait...

bekyed




msg:188783
 11:18 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello,

dmoz can take a long time, but two of my websites were indexed in a day.
If you choose the right category that has an editor this is very possible.

steveb




msg:188784
 1:31 am on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

sharplab, content means nothing in terms of PR. PR is all about quality links, and despite what has been said here, PR will always be of some importantce. While a low PR page can beat a higher PR page, all other things being equal, a higher PR page will do better. Its an absolute.

You appear to have lousy internal linking. Those extra pages can benefit you a lot, but they need to link to your main page with good link text (not "home page" but "Keyword"). Improve your internal linking, and you should be able to have PR5 all by itself. Get some good external links and a higher PR5 should also be easily within reach. The distance to PR6 is bigger though, unless you get a link from a PR7 page.

PR is like stirring your hand in a sink full of water. The more you stir, the greater cumulative effect it has, and the more powerful turbulence. You need to flow the PR back through your site to increase its turbulence power.

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