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Update Dominic - Part 9
Will it ever settle?

 6:12 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

....Continued from here [webmasterworld.com]

I just checked all 9 datacenters. Only -sj and -fi have the new index.



 7:11 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Every time you pick up the deck of cards, i.e., do a search, google shuffles the magical deck.

I think you just described the "new technology". This is exciting. :)


 7:15 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

PR on a site of interest to me keeps switching - from PR5 (last months value) to PR6 and back again. Cycling every minute or so right now. Similar thing happening for a competitor. This is on www


 7:17 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the changes now....

but when will the links and PR be factored in hours, days, weeks

that is when the results will be "real" right?


 7:42 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

That very much depends on you define 'real' 8^)

If you're answering a call from a client, 'real' might mean when the shuffle settles down a bit.

If you're Sam Surfer hunting for a red widget, the results are most probably considered real as soon as Sam begins reading page 1 of the serps returned for his search on the phrase 'red widget'


 7:44 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

oh yes, very exciting

shuffling decks on search visitors does not seem like it would be something desirable. i routinely will do multiple checks on the same keyphrases, wanting the results i did before to come up again.

and if it were true, imagine the fun optomizing for for 8 to 10 diffent google indices, not just one.

google is still playing games. haven't dealt the real deck yet. that's where our money lies still.


 7:52 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

games. google games. but hey if it results in better search results for their visitors, ultimately its better for webmasters that can deal with it, as well.

the more visitors google has, the more we have. so more power to you google. the super engine of search.....


 7:55 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, I can verify that the backward links on my site are jumping around. I checked it just now and it showed 43, then clicked on page 2 of the links and then it showed 176, clicked on page 3 and then back to 43, then page 4 back to 176. Kind of cool, but seriously freaky. This is on www.google.


 7:56 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, a very exciting dance!


 8:06 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

New datacenter with sj/fi data! :)

www-cw.google.com is now also displaying the new info.

Sorry if someone already said that...first piece of actual news I've seen with this thing in like 2 weeks... :)


 8:08 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


real to the client.... always!


 8:33 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

Sorry to remind you, but the round-robin feature has already been explained a few dozens times in these threads.

As a few datacenters have now the +/- 2 months old index, backlinks and pagerank, it is normal that every now and then, your pagerank changes to the one your page was having 2 months ago. This happens every time the toolbar query resolves to one of these datacenters (sj, fi, cw...)because of the DNS round-robin algorithm.

PR change is nothing to worry about for now!



 8:36 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

So how long will google keep these crappy results public for?


 8:38 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's already real if you have a great deal of traffic rankings on AOL can mean a lot of sales.

Thing is when we start seeing fi regularly on www (probably this weekend), it could be weeks until current crawl data is factored in. Looks like at best, we will be stuck with the funky si index for a couple of weeks.

It's pretty starnge that they are scoring sites based on links from the January crawl/Feb index. Wonder why they couldn't at least have used the March index?

GoogleGuy is using the words "gradual" and "over time" a little too much from my liking. :(


 8:50 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

It may take a week or two for the link adding on www. to be completed but it has probably already started. Whoever gets their links added first will be very happy indeed. I hope it is me. Hey someone has to be first.


 8:56 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

If they do add links little by little that does not mean that they will recalculate the results at the same pace though.


 8:56 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

sorry just arrived this may have been discussed earlier but using the 3 x 3 tool [webmasterworld.com]

In the UK, I see 617k -617k -617k - 661k for yahoo backlink is that settled then?

And will the deepcrawl be starting soon then?



 9:11 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

the 3x3 tool is useless in this situation.

You'll need to see all 9 of the datacenters side by side to see anything happening here at all.


 9:39 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing fresh tags on www-cw

My money is on a -cw that morphs over time.


 9:53 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


Googleguy said that sj and fi were 'related' but not identical.

Could it be that Google has decided to use multiple 'related' algorithms across different datacenters that will give the same family of results, but not the same results.

If I wanted to make it more difficult for people to reverse engineer my algorithm, then that is what I would do. Just as fast as someone posted some 'clue' to the new algorithm, someone else would see some variation on a diff. datacenter that would call into question the first 'clue'.

What do you think?


 9:57 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

After staying clear of this thread a long while I decided to check things out.

I'm watching two SERP's very closely right now.

For the more important phrase which was #32-#34 past few months until I did the redesign and link campaign:

#13 on SJ (13 backlinks listed in Google)
#11 on FI (13 backlinks listed in Google)

Would be nice to see how many sub PR3's were picked up. Must be a good number as none of the new PR4's are showing up yet. :)

Depending on what server I hit on Y! the rank is #17 or it doesn't exist (I only checked to #200).

AOL's Search: #11 Sometimes there- sometimes not at all.

The other phrase that has been ranking at #3 the past month:


#10 on FI (using sitemap instead of index page)
#3 & #4 on SJ (Index page then site map page)

Y! #3 just as last month and seems steady after many refreshes.

AOL Search: #10 using Site map instead of index page & #16 using a different page.

The AOL Search for Phrase two reminds me of results that were on SJ _way_ back when the news broke here. Only then it was 11&12 using the same pages.

Wonder how long things need to 'cook' before it's done...

Maybe GoogleGuy doesn't even know.

No observations since it's not done yet. Would be nice if a link or two more were picked up from that #11 and #13 spot for most important phrase.

If not- there's always next month....if the update settles by then. ;)

Just an observational post...but this update is good for my purposes so far.



 10:00 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've seen a lot of -sj/-fi results on www tonight; but just assume that it is server balancing again, as sometimes there were non-sj/-fi results there (however this has been ongoing for over two hours). This is actually the first time that I have seen these sort of results at any time in the last few weeks.

Yep, lots of fresh tags on -cw as of mid-afternoon onwards, and this datacentre's results seem to be more related to -sj/-fi than to the others (they seem to be like -sj/-fi with lots of fresh data on top). Google are testing something, and after 3000 posts in this 9-part thread, I don't think anyone here (except maybe GoogleGuy) has much of a clue as what is going on.


 10:08 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks for the word morph I will use it from now on for this process..
just to add to the frustration I had a glimpse of something on aol just now which was different of anything I have seen in the nine known datacenters..


 10:17 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow, are we up to 3000 posts on this topic? Ah, how fondly I recall those first 1000 posts or so. No wonder I feel like I keep repeating myself--I think I am. :)


 10:21 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

From what I can see, -cw has the old sj data from earlier in the week with some freshbot stuff sprinkled on top...

This is cool, at least there's SOMETHING going on. :)


 10:21 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


just to add to the frustration I had a glimpse of something on aol just now which was different of anything I have seen in the nine known datacenters..

Yahoo and Google don't show straight up Google results. They have their own criteria as to how they rank results. For most stuff that I have seen Google and Yahoo are usually pretty close.

AOL's search can be totally odd compared to Yahoo and Google.




 10:25 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Using Mozilla I am consistently getting -sj/-fi results on www, but then I opened Netscape 4.8 and the same searches then produce non-sj/-fi results on www. This isn't a browser or ISP cache issue here, but Google somehow remembering which datacentre was accessed last time, and using the same again for the next search. At least, that is what it looks like, to me. I keep doing different searches and in Mozilla I get -sj/-fi-like results, and in Netscape I get completely different results, within seconds of each other, and repeatedly.


 10:34 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Wow, are we up to 3000 posts on this topic? Ah, how fondly I recall those first 1000 posts or so. No wonder I feel like I keep repeating myself--I think I am. :)"

Speaking of repeating yourself... when do you think we can see some kind of significant change in either backlinks or april's deepbot data? How is this going to affect next month's update? Are you going to gradually bring everything back in and then keep updating continuously from that point on?


 10:35 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

--No wonder I feel like I keep repeating myself--I think I am.--

Can you repeat that GG, I didn't get it the first 500 times you said it :)


 10:50 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


Have you tried turning all your cookies off and repeating your search tests. Perhaps Google are trying to adapt their searches to individual users and this is the start.


 10:51 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

For German google my -sj results are now on www and my pr is slightly changing every time I reload.

For me this looks exactly like it always does when the update begins to start...


 10:55 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

still no update on www, just some freshies :s

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