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Update Dominic - Part 7
hetzeld




msg:157054
 9:47 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

> When is the update expected to end?

We're not even sure it is started yet! :)

Dan

 

lazyz




msg:157084
 6:21 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've been using several tools to check consistency of data between www/www-sj/ etc...

I've been using the local webmasterworld update tool as well as one with a .dk domain... (I don't have that link here)...

Also - I keep an eye on old/not-pointing-to-dns-domains that own. Lots of garbage is still present in www2/www-sj

All indications are that if you seen fluctuations on google at this point it is that fresh thing going on.

Perfection




msg:157085
 6:25 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shall we just keep re-quoting that every 5 messages or so?

If there is any message that needs to be constantly re-quoted here, it's one of the many that say something along the lines of:

"The update didn't even start yet. This is just stuff that happens before every update that we usually never get to see. So just sit back and relax and wait until something final happens. Worrying, questioning and complaining now is not only a waste of time because for one, Google isn't going to go back and change things until YOU are happy with the results, and two, it's a waste of time because nothing is final yet. Googleguy has said it himself, backlinks, spam filters, blah blah blah are still going to be SLOWLY added. Until then, the only real thing you or anyone else can do is stay calm and wait. Doing anything else at this time is useless and pointless."

netnerd




msg:157086
 6:33 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not true.

There have been quite dramatic changes on www for many search terms.

wackmaster




msg:157087
 6:33 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

So, Perfection,

I'm really worried that my position for one site has dropped from #3 to #4 on -fi...

Just kidding ;-)

wackmaster




msg:157088
 6:34 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

netnerd,

See trillianjedi's post above.

littlecloud




msg:157089
 6:38 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

now you can start panicking, www. now has serps without april or maybe even march backlinks.

trillianjedi




msg:157090
 6:40 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

There have been quite dramatic changes on www for many search terms.

I haven't seen any such changes on www, only 2, 3, sj and fi.

All of the above are, of course, sometimes accessed via www.

TJ

Perfection




msg:157091
 6:46 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Exactly. Maybe re-quote my post AND trillian's together. Or, print them out and glue them to your monitor. =]

esaslo




msg:157092
 6:51 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Does anyone have a threadlink which explains the endemic differences and/or causality of www/www2/www3/www-sj/www-fi?

Thanks!

Robski




msg:157093
 7:25 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well I'm seeing different results on www and they appear to be the same as www2 and www3. The unfortunate thing is that the backlinks are still slashed in half. Something is happening but I suspect it will not be too favorable for any of us.

trillianjedi




msg:157094
 7:27 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

The differences between the datacentres are variations in the index.

Traditionally, this meant that one index would get updated first with a new one (last two updates I think -ex got the new data first for example) then all the other datacentres got a copy uploaded to them (the "googledance").

I really have no idea if this will be the case anymore. Time will tell.

As for causality, it's a type of distributed computing, so I guess there's a central server somewhere that determines the load balance between the datacentres and sends a search query to the one that is the least "busy".

TJ

trillianjedi




msg:157095
 7:28 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Robski:-

Don't forget people that Google, being a high traffic website, uses round robin DNS. Each time you perform a DNS request for www.google.com you could be forwarded to any of the datacenters. This should explain why some of you are seeing on and off results.

Vrian_Sinth




msg:157096
 7:56 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the -sj results show up on www as well. My incoming links are switching back and forth. Looks like some dancing is going on.

drewls




msg:157097
 8:02 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Vrian_Sinth:

Don't forget people that Google, being a high traffic website, uses round robin DNS. Each time you perform a DNS request for www.google.com you could be forwarded to any of the datacenters. This should explain why some of you are seeing on and off results.

Vrian_Sinth




msg:157098
 8:05 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

drewls:

I don't think this is the case.

netnerd




msg:157099
 8:08 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree.

Dont the data centres have different versions of data most of the time? Yet we only see this variation in www.google.com data around the dance time.

adsoft13




msg:157100
 8:41 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

to all,

when you see the results on www are changed to -fi or -sj .
Please CHECK its IP at this time by "ping www.google.com -t" command. If it shows the IP of -fi or -sj ... then just relax and read the posts above - it means dns staff.

If it is different IP - make a post here stating that www has updated results, which are wdifferent from IP of -fi or -sj - this will indicate there are movements around www.

drewls




msg:157101
 8:50 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

But nothing's happening here that hasn't been happening for the last few days. Once in a while you hit sj or fi when you search www. As far as data moving over, all I see is some freshbot activity on www, which actually DOES keep changing disappearing and reappearing.

shurlee




msg:157102
 9:02 pm on May 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Did we really all expect to just keep writing thousands of pages and convince ourselves that we weren't manipulating PR, we were delivering content and content is king right? All that internal crosslinking within domains and between domains we manage, did we really think G would never figure out that wasn't page rank, that wasn't a vote for a page, it wasn't even really content?

G is better at dynamic pages now. G is no longer passing PR from expired domains. Why not and how do they know?

Googleguy seems as in the dark as everyone else, (yeah right), but still "helps out" with all those informational posts about looking for fresh content,(like he would tell everyone to look for old content).

No one seems to understand what's happening with all the missing links. The answser isn't in what we're seeing, it's in what we're NOT seeing any longer, (same as it's ever been).

All those domains you got registered to yourself, uh-oh! All those link deals you've made that you have convinced yourself aren't a link farm, you just link to all his domains that link to yours, uh oh! All those image maps to all those pages you convinced yourself aren't doorway, lead, intro, (or whatever other goofy name you made up for them), pages, those are CONTENT pages to help the search engine find what they are looking for, UH-OH!

For those of you who even understand the term reverse engineeering, nothing seems to make sense. You find one true thing on one database and then it doesn't add up on another. It is just a program! The answer is there. Look for the things you don't usually look for. Stop just checking your own placements and realize it's a big world out there and while we all like to accuse the "other" guy of being a spammer, the fact is that we have all built a lot of crap for the sole purpose of trying to get more traffic and that if we pull back and look at it from g's eyes instead of our own, it is right there.

But no need to consider anything I say. Everyone knows that a girl could never figure out all this stuff.

Continued... [webmasterworld.com]

[edited by: ciml at 9:06 pm (utc) on May 12, 2003]

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