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Update Dominic - Part 6
mrguy




msg:113388
 9:45 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow!
I can't believe the thread for the dance that never was still grows!

Let's recap:
Normal dance:
Five days into it and it is almost over with index moving across the other 7 main data centers.

So far, 7 days into this PRE-DANCE:
The SJ data has not started to migrate to the other 7 main data centers. FI not included.

I have not seen sj results show up on www in over 3 days now.

www2 and www3 all are pointed to the IP of sj.
I've seen it mentioned that we have been privy to a part of the dance we normally don't see and I would be inclined to agree with that.

I don't think we will see the real dance start for a couple days at least. It's not a real dance anyway until all the data is applied, so I think we are all going to see a big shift from what the SJ server is showing and what will actually be in the index.

I find it funny that GoogleGuy has disappeared. I think they rolled out the new algo to get our opinions. Most searchers don't bother to fill out a satisfaction report. They just go somewhere else. In that respect, Google has a great asset in this community because they sure got a lot of feedback about what was on the SJ server. I think when the dance really starts in earnest, we'll see GoogleGuy show up again.

Anyway, back to work adding content for the next deep crawl
:)

[edited by: mrguy at 10:39 pm (utc) on May 8, 2003]

 

skipfactor




msg:113538
 4:11 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Is this significant in anyway?

Yes, you're alive.

This whole thing reaks of an "end-around". Wacked-out dance, we're freaking, other SEs are freaking, spammers are freaking, then "BAM", killer new index & Deepcrawl starts immediately.

Cheap way to incorporate some automatic spam elimination. If no one has time to optimize after results, who sticks? Solid sites that were cleanly optimized in the first place.

lazyz




msg:113539
 4:14 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Let's see...

www2 and www3 have not migrated over to www...

www2 and www3 contain domains that don't exist anymore and haven't existed for a couple of months...

No update... still tweaking or whatever...

time to get over it and wait...

Ally_Cat




msg:113540
 4:26 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

-sj and -fi are still showing horrible results for my main keyword, so I'm pretty confident the update isn't close.

The first page is full of sites that redirect to other search result pages. There are also several pages that don't even have the keyword anywhere but in the title - not exactly top on relevancy.

I'm relaxed - I'm sure they're still playing with the data, and there are many more changes to come.

Jesse_Smith




msg:113541
 4:34 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

This is a LONG update! Normally it would be about done after five days, yet with the way it's going it looks like it could last another five days!

reneewood




msg:113542
 4:42 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

skipfactor

Just checked allinurl for the 8 datacenters, www3 and www2. All they show are two pages of my site: my merchant policy and my shopping cart. Weird.

Laurel




msg:113543
 4:51 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just checked allinurl for the 8 datacenters, www3 and www2. All they show are two pages of my site: my merchant policy and my shopping cart. Weird.

Same here!

Right now on www. my site is #5 which is where I want it to be.
with 175 pages listed.

mean while over in the lands of -sj -fi www2 & www3
I am way back on the 4th page, with only 2 pages listed.

I can't wait to see what's gonna happen, and I am too happy this is not my job I am playing with.

skipfactor




msg:113544
 4:56 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

My weak pages are loving -sj. Everyone's seeing similar flak--that says it all to me.

rfgdxm1




msg:113545
 4:57 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

>-sj and -fi are still showing horrible results for my main keyword, so I'm pretty confident the update isn't close.

Gosh, are you optimistic. ;) Don't be surprised if Google dashes your hopes.

jojojo




msg:113546
 5:12 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

My guess is the udpate hasn't started at all and it will in the next 24 hrs

twilight47




msg:113547
 5:34 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Compared to the earlier update threads, the latest thread really feels like hundreds of people holdng their breath, wait for the final results to come down...eerie.

Also can we change the name of the update from Dominic to Demonic?

allanp73




msg:113548
 5:37 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was really worried that I was the only one missing links. Normally I have 150+ my sites are showing only 30+. An interesting thing I noticed one site that I had abandoned is now top ranked and shows links that I removed over 2 months ago. Maybe Google likes sites which loose many links ;)
I think we are nearing the half way point it looks like Google is now working on sorting out links, then it will move on to cleanign up spam, which I notice a lot of.
I hope there will be good news at the end of this. :)

skipfactor




msg:113549
 5:37 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

the latest thread really feels like hundreds of people holdng their breath

hundreds?

whoops...:)

why2kit




msg:113550
 5:43 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

hamster77

Yes you are correct I think. The average punter is going to search for "widgit" - through google, yahoo, dogpile etc. and what he/she expects to find is a good answer to the widget question.

The punter doesn't really care where the info comes from so long as it's a good answer - and if google can't give them a good answer that they will go somewhere else.

So if the google update is bad for 50 % thej it must be good for the other 50%, and if it's not then the punters will go somewhere else (i.e. another SE ) to get the info they need.

So GoogleGuy do you agree with my brief business plan?

abcdef




msg:113551
 5:47 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

boy has rfgdxm1, a senior member, become pessismistic lately.

all the months of google updates that he has lived through must finally be getting the best of him... would anybody probably.

pontification (yawn) follows:

lets face the facts, maam. Google knows exactly what they are up to. There are changes afoot, and it's something that was methodically planned out months ago, if not longer for some aspects.

This isn't something that was just thrown together overnight. It's something that has been planned for months, if not longer in some aspects.

GoogleGuy has dropped the hints of what's up, and the process taking place, however in the tradition of Google, cannot disclose details of what is afoot. But he is very confident, we are sure, that you good hardworking webmasters and SEO pros in time will catch on and make any adjustments you need to make, if that is even going to be necessary.

GoogleGuy doesn't seem to worried. My suggestion is follow his lead, lay low until the dust settles, and pick things up from there.

Sounds like a good idea.

see you folks after the update is an update.

cheers

rumirunto




msg:113552
 5:55 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

My site is 4 years old, PR8 two months ago, PR7 now. My links went down from 1500 to 640 first, and now down to 610. A lot of my 5000+ pages don't even show on the SERPS now, and I'm down on most of my main keywords from top 10 to below 50. I've been displaced mostly by irrelevant *junk*. My site is very clean, spam free, and with tons of high quality content, so I highly doubt that I've been penalized somehow. My top competitor's links have gone down "only" by about 40%.

This whole thing makes no sense.... I'm not freaking out too much yet, since I can't believe that they'd go live with SERPS as bad as these.

One thing that might be relevant or not, is that my web site was not even crawlable one year ago, when I learned about SEO and made it search engine friendly. My traffic and backlink count has been going up by about 22% every month since. traffic to my competitor's site has been been growing *much* slower than mine (they've always had a search engine friendly site) and it's only this last month that I passed them in traffic. (about 2500 unique visitors per day) I wonder if somehow this update (if that's what this is) is punishing sites that have been growing too fast, or if it just happens to be using old-old data. (My positioning has gone back to what it was about 6 months ago)

Anyway.. just wanted to vent a bit and share some data.

Catnip




msg:113553
 5:59 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

GG don't mail rfgdxm1 a Google pen or anything he may stab himself. I come in here now just to read posts from rfgdxm1. He is going to snap soon... rfgdxm1 try to relax and go get drunk tonight and Saturday and Sunday night. You will probably end up with better placements when this is all over anyway try to relax (I know it is hard). But it is really the only thing left to do. Monday I will be in here reading the hundred posts from rfgdxm1 telling us how all his keywords are now number one.

Lets all take a big deep breath and go buy a 12 of Heineken.

rfgdxm1




msg:113554
 6:00 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

>all the months of google updates that he has lived through must finally be getting the best of him... would anybody probably.

I guess I am losing faith in Google. :( It just seems to me something is terribly wrong.

>GoogleGuy doesn't seem to worried. My suggestion is follow his lead, lay low until the dust settles, and pick things up from there.

It may be that this is a smokescreen. Or, it may very well be that he doesn't realize how bad things are hosed. Stop and think. If he had known the algo was broken, then he'd have done something about it and fixed it. Bugs aren't known ahead of time.

abcdef




msg:113555
 6:09 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

for those of you that continue to hang in and do the play by play. play ball.

to all others, goodnight, irenes...

rfgdxm1 we expect to see you at that pub where there is no Google T.V (at least not yet. whew)

1milehgh80210




msg:113556
 6:11 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Fear is really fear of the unknown.
3 possibilities.
G just adjusting, SERP's come back stronger than ever.GREAT
G got messed up, returns to normal.WORRIED FOR NOTHING
G fubar'd. Oh well, adjust & move on. G has the real worries.

#3 highly unlikely IMO.

why2kit




msg:113557
 6:19 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

abcdef

I might be a brit in the us but I think the line is "goodnight Irene" rather than "goodnight, irenes", which would be the plural. Not correct unless you've had a great deal of sucess with girls named Irene (also see The Importance of being Ernest)

I only bring this up because GoogleGit (sorry GoogleGuy) tripped me up rather well on mis-typing SJ for CJ!

rfgdxm1




msg:113558
 6:21 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I come in here now just to read posts from rfgdxm1. He is going to snap soon...

I was already crazy years ago. ;)

>Monday I will be in here reading the hundred posts from rfgdxm1 telling us how all his keywords are now number one.

I'd settle for my old #4 position back on the most important keyword. :( I've abandoned all hope Google will find the inbound anchor text to that site. I've been screwed by this buggy, broken algo.

digitalghost




msg:113559
 6:23 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I've been screwed by this buggy, broken algo.

ROFL, hate to see your reaction to sj if you had money riding on the Google update. ;)

Catnip




msg:113560
 6:48 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

rfgdxm1,

"I was already crazy years ago. ;)"

Is this from Google? Maybe we can start a support group website for people?

I went from 15th on "widget rentals" to 27 on SJ and lost about 1000 back links(approx half). And now on www I'm still 15th and that has not changed or my back links.WWW has been rock solid for me over the last month. However the same happened to a friend had 2nd and 5th for "widget vacations" then start of this week he moved way down in the results (SJ) and lost about half his back links (approx 1000). now he has 2nd and 5th back and has not gained back his back links and this has not changed for the last few days on SJ. And www also never changed for him?

So I wonder why he got 2nd and 5th back without getting any back links back? And I'm still down 12 spots. And the best part is I added a lot (60) back links for the last update and was hoping to get in the top ten. I have been moving up the ladder over the last 6 months. Oh and we are also both a PR 6.

why2kit




msg:113561
 7:22 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure if this makes a difference to anyone, but freshie just started looking at sites I put up just before the last crawl

dididudu




msg:113562
 8:08 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey, you guys stop picking on rfgdxm1, why don't you try to stand in his position? Ofcouse it's easy for some one to say "let's wait for the dust to settle down" while he/she is dancing for the result on sj simply because his/her own benefit is so far protected!

I know this posting may get deleted, but what the heck, I rather stand in the "PHONE BOOTH" right now than checking the postings on this board! PEACE ALL!

Ally_Cat




msg:113563
 8:39 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Gosh, are you optimistic. ;) Don't be surprised if Google dashes your hopes. "

I didn't mean that G is showing horrible results for my site - I don't expect to get anywhere with this update anyway, because I just took over the optimization at the start of the April crawl - just that the quality of the results for that keyword is very poor at the moment. :)

dazz




msg:113564
 8:41 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

edited as I posted old news........I will read through the 21'583 posts before I post on this thread again. :)

jesserud




msg:113565
 9:27 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

In the last 3 days, a SEO-tools page on my site has gotten hits from 10 different searches related to this dance, 4 different searches related to Google dances in general, and only 3 non-dance-related searches.

My page was not #1 for most of the dance-related searches. Only a few of the tools on the page relate specifically to dances. There must be a lot of SEOs who are curious about this dance.

power_iq




msg:113566
 9:49 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can anyone see newer Deepcrawl- Datas in the newest index of -sj or -fi?

djgreg




msg:113567
 10:03 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

rfgdxm1
you are a senior member, which means you are posting in this forum for a long time. If you have learned something over this time it should be that Google always needs time, but in the end our sites will rank well.

Hope So! ;-)

parabola




msg:113568
 10:55 am on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Power-iq,

Still no recent deepcrawl data.

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