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Update Dominic - Part 5
The saga!
dvduval

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Msg#: 12620 posted 5:20 pm on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

dvduval:
Indeed I am missing a PR7 backlink!

I checked also with the same result. I'm starting to breath easier (but that could also be the coffee wearing off!)

Worth noting: It is highly unlikely Google will reduce the size of its index. Otherwise they'll get hit with a barage of those "enlargement" emails (if you know what I mean), and that would be embarrassing!
;-)

 

jranes

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:14 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yahoo results look very similar to sj. Has anyone else noticed this?

JonnyWales

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:19 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Yahoo results look very similar to sj. Has anyone else noticed this?"

Nope, looks pretty much like www to me.

latimer

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:20 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just checked yahoo and it is using the pre sj serps.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:21 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Yahoo results look very similar to sj. Has anyone else noticed this?

Thank god no. Just checked, and I'm still #3 on Yahoo for my main search term, rather than buried. Thus Yahoo had the old index.

carlr

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:24 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

No. I don't see anything like this on my search terms

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:24 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

By NO means have they done that. If they had, this site would be near the top based on PR and on page factors. The current #4 site on this SERP in -sj has NO on page text at all. The reason it is #4 is inbound anchor text links.

Shame, opportunity by google missed.

Not sure why this site has it's anchor text inbound links and you've lost yours though?

TJ

jranes

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:24 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK, I guess it is just me.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:48 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Not sure why this site has it's anchor text inbound links and you've lost yours though?

It seems random. I have 2 sites, and the other site does have it's anchor text inbound links. Other people have reported losing the anchor text on their inbound links also. It may be that for some sites it still hasn't been added in at this stage of the dance yet. Or, Google is broken and has a bug. No way of knowing until the dance ends.

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 12620 posted 9:51 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I would say it's more likely that all the links have not been properly calculated in yet, for anchor text etc.

Anything else stand out for your missing inbound anchor text links? Can you spot a difference between those included and those not? Lack of surrounding text maybe? That would make sense.

TJ

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:00 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

All of the backlinks that should be there are there. It is just that Google isn't crediting the anchor text for those links. And, these links include the ODP, and a link from the #1 page for that SERP. That #1 page is PR6, doesn't have many links, yet one of those links is to my page with the keyword in the anchor text. Basically, little has changed from last month. Other than no anchor text credited for this page. :(

erthworm

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:01 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Since this thread is so long, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me that I'm sure has already been addressed. My site, which has sustained very high ranking for some important keywords for a long time now, has completely disappeared from Google SERPs - as in no page listings whatsoever.

Is this something I should worry about since it sounds like it's happened to many others in varying degrees? (i.e. is the consensus that this is permanent or only temporary)

theposter

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:05 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have around 300 pages that did get deep crawled last month but have not made it into SJ. hmmm...on the other hand, one site of mine that does get fresh crawled a lot has got all the new pages I added in the index. So....

1> The index is by no means an accurate representation of how it will look finally.

2> An old database with fresh results mixed in it.

I guess this has been concluded before here!

Another surmise - this is how the dance always occurs at Google HQ, however, this portion has never been made public before. What we usually end up seeing is the final results just moving across the data centers. However, this time we have been able to glimpse into the 'real dance' - the jiggling around of results.

maybe...the cost of moving the data across AND THEN applying the new data and filters has certain cost/performance benefits for Google. I mean in terms of the economic or management costs, which is why we see a new form of the dance.

mrguy

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:05 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

erthworm

Did you disappear from the regular WWW serps or the SJ test serps that everyone is keeps calling the new index which it really is not since all factors are not present in it?

GG has said this a few times.

If it's SJ, don't worry about it because the dance has not even really started.

After 5 days and the SJ serps have not migrated over to the other 7 dominate datacenters is a good indicator that we have a while to go yet.

[edited by: mrguy at 10:09 pm (utc) on May 7, 2003]

James_Dale

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:06 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Haha! even Google have dropped a couple of positions in the new SJ index! Check for "search engine" and they're behind Altavista and Excite!

Crazy stuff!

erthworm

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:15 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

mrguy

my site disappeared from the main results as well as the SJ results. the site literally doesn't exist in google anymore, it doesn't even register backward links to the site.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:15 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

erthworm, are you sure you are gone completely? Try using a search in quotation marks such that your page would be the only ones that match.

mrguy

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:17 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

erthworm

How old is your site?

When did it first appear in the regular serps that are now showing on www.google.com?

How many backlinks do you have to your site?

And of course, have you done anthing that might have incurred a penalty?

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:17 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Haha! even Google have dropped a couple of positions in the new SJ index! Check for "search engine" and they're behind Altavista and Excite!

ROFL. Perhaps this algo realizes how much it sucks, and is predicting the future. ;)

erthworm

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:21 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

to be honest, i'm not one of those people who constantly tracked backlinks and PR for our site. it's done VERY well for as long as i can remember, which is well over two years.

as far as penalties, the site is mainly flash with a parallel html version, and there's a necessary redirect upon entry with some text on it. maybe google finally decided to remove the site?

abcdef

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:21 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

GG didn't say that MRGUY, I dont' think.

GG is usually vague by necessity from what I read of his posts, but from what I read that he his written about what is happening now, I interpreted it as follows:

That the SJ results would be the substance of the new update, and that sometime after that they will be more applying filters, results of deep spiders, and adding backlinks back in to fill things in as time goes on. He didn't say when, however, that would happen.

Anyway, that is what I got out of his comments about what we are seeing.

erthworm

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:24 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

when google penalizes a site, does googlebot stop spidering it, as well?

littlecloud

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:25 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

erthworm do you have a grey pr on the toolbar? If so, that is how it happens when you get banned. poof just like that you disappear.

PatrickDeese

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:27 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

To be fair, even though one of my sites got hit hard (lacking backlink/anchor text is hurting it, I think), I see a site that is #1 for a Spanish website design term whose principal backlinks all have stuff like "guestbook.php" in them is nowhere to be found in SJ.

This isn't to say that the SJ serps aren't serving up spam. I have submitted at least 8 spam reports in the past 36 hours based on SJ serps.

If they are going to crackdown on spam, may as well help them find *all* of it.

I'm disappointed that my site dropped 30 positions, but it has actually moved from ~46 in the sj serps to 29 today, so I think maybe there is still hope for me yet. :)

mrguy

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:29 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

abcdef

He did say the SERPS would change once the data was applied.

Since the SJ datacenter started changing on Friday, and has yet to migrated over to the other 7 main datacenters, In my opinion, they have not put the dance into full swing.

Usually, the results of the new index will bounce in and out of the main www server all through the dance. I have not seen this in a few days and they also pointed www2 and www3 at the SJ server which is not normal either.

I thinking they are sill tweaking the system before they let it migrate.

I good indication of that is that Alta vista and Excite beat google on their own engine for search engine. That tells me there is a problem... Would you let it out the world when you can't even show up as #1 for your own term on your own engine. And of all engines to beat by, it's alta vista.

I'm not getting excited about anyting becasue I personally don't think the real deal has happened yet.

abcdef

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:35 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

With on that MRGUY.

We are just taking a wild guess that the final update might be something in between what we are seeing on -sj and what is on the WWW index at the moment. All just a guess. Roll with it and see what happens. The fun of it.

If it were to end like SJ is returning now, in our case we would be pleased, but we aren't expecting anything at this point.

djmad_wax

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:37 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

well I've never replied to one of these "OMG WTF is happening with Google" threads before :) but I gotta say, this is wierd.

one of my clients is focused around holiday based business and as one is coming up, I was placing well on page 1. now when i search for said clients URL it shows up with the previous holiday results.

lol what the heck is going on!

I need a drinkus

abcdef

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:41 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

geesh, when is the last time Google cached that site. hahaha. Just joshin. How knows. Weird stuff.

twilight47

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:43 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well reasoned mrguy.

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.

The question then becomes, when the big dance really begins, will there be a cool band or a crappy DJ?

I got a keg in the car, depending on the results.

erthworm

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:43 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

littlecloud, as a matter of fact, it is grey. i'm assuming that's not good...

in the interest of full disclosure, there was some semi-hidden text on the Flash detect page, all of which was relevant to the site, but maybe Google got strict on me. And they liked me so much for such a long time...

ncsuk

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:46 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I really cannot believe you guys are still at this. How many posts in total has this thread had now?

abcdef

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Msg#: 12620 posted 10:49 pm on May 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

You would think Google has more than enough fire power in it's datacenters to run tests offline to evaluate results internally. No need to publish results of tests.

So what would be the purpose of publishing results, if it was a test on either new or old data?

To get the feedback of listing sites? Can't feature that explanation as a good one.

We would guess that the results that are seen in SJ/FI and now apparently propagated to www2. and www3. are going to be the base point of a new update to come soon, and be propagated to WWW. That what we see now however isn't the finished product, that iterations and updates are still in progress, before propagation to WWW makes sense too.

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