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Gandalf_UK

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Msg#: 12509 posted 2:43 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

I've spent my day on webmasterworld.com.
It's a real goldmine.

I was looking for an answer to my problem. I've found threads related to the topic but no real answer. So here I am again:

My website is quite well ranked for what I am interested in on google.com
It appears nicely on all search engines when I look on the web (i.e. internationally)
but as soon as I filter (as most of UK users would do) on UK pages only....it simply disappears. I mean COMPLETELY disappear. Problem is that this website is meant to be ONLY for british users :)

- the server is hosted outside the UK. But that does not seem to be a problem (I have the same in Italy and it does appear locally even though the server is not in Italy)
- my url is .com and not .co.uk. But that said I can find .com sites on google.co.uk (uk pages only)

Does anyone understand how engines define where your site sits? is this given by the META?

Gandalf_UK
a newbie!

 

suggy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12509 posted 2:46 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Gandalf_UK

Got a .com domain by any chance?

Suggy

Shak

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Msg#: 12509 posted 2:47 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to Webmasterworld,

you answered your own question :)

to appear in "pages from the UK" one of the following needs to apply:

.co.uk domains (or similar .org.uk etc)

site needs to be hosted in the UK.

since you have a .com the easiest option would be to transfer hosting to a company who has actual presence in the UK, beware of USA resellers in the UK.

all the best.

Shak

you may also want to spend some time reading the UK forum located at [webmasterworld.com...] there is a lot of specific information non UK webmasterws would not need.

[edited by: Shak at 2:49 pm (utc) on May 3, 2003]

Gandalf_UK

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Msg#: 12509 posted 2:47 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

yes the site has a .com domain

Gandalf_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12509 posted 2:50 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

if the site had to be hosted in the UK, I would also have EXACTLY the same problem for the italian site.
If I look for blahblah.it on google.it, I find my site
(not hosted locally)

Both sites run on same system.

I would expect to find blahblah.com on google.co.uk

do you see what I mean?
that's where I am confused

Gandalf_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12509 posted 2:54 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shak

thanks a lot for that link
I will check on the european threads
i did not spot those forums :)

thanks a lot for that again!

Shak

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Msg#: 12509 posted 2:56 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Gandalf,

I cant comment on Italy as I do NO business there, hoever having worked with/against Google UK for a number of years, the hosting/domain issue is very relevant.

Maybe some of our Italian members will be able to shed some light on this.

Shak

suggy

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Msg#: 12509 posted 2:58 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sorry Gandalf_UK - I should have read your post more thoroughly before replying!

I'm with Shak though. Had a .com site once myself and never did manage to get it to show in a UK search.

I stick to .co.uk now for safety. Both my hosting co's are UK also. Automatically included in UK results now!

Cheers,

Suggy

vmaster

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Msg#: 12509 posted 3:46 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

"the easiest option would be to transfer hosting to a company who has actual presence in the UK"

Shak is technically right, but things need not work out that easily in reality. We resorted to the said option, but still did not appear for the uk fltered results for a while, so finally had to move the entire site to a new .co.uk domain.

ronin

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Msg#: 12509 posted 4:12 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm sorry this is broadening the thread a little, but it's a question that's been bothering me for some time (about seven years).

This question goes out to all those stateside:

Everyone generally accepts that .uk, .it, .ru. jp etc. are the country specific TLDs for the UK, Italy, Russia, Japan and so on.

I thought also, everyone generally accepts that .com is an international TLD and (theoretically) indicates a domain with a potential worldwide audience.

But I don't really see .us around on the web very much.

Is this because

a) most US online companies see themselves as international?
b) most US online companies thought .com was country specific to the US (rather than, say, .co.us)?
c) most US online companies know the difference between .com and .co.us but choose not to use .us because .com is more prevalent in the popular mindset?

Further, if b) is true rather than a) or c) (as I suspect) does that mean that US consumers going to a site that ends in .com actually expect the site to be a US website?

Also, rather importantly, does Google (by default) consider .com sites to be US based or International sites?

I very much hope the latter, otherwise it's messing up the whole conceptual framework of TLDs, but I'd be interested to find out.

frogg

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Msg#: 12509 posted 4:17 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a .com site that appears in google.co.uk's UK-only results. I'm not sure how we did it exactly - but it's what we wanted, so all is good.

The site -- usefulwidgets.com -- is specifically targetting the UK, and the webpages reflect this by using " - useful widgets, UK" at the end of every page title, and the business address is also shown on every page, suffixed with "UK" as the final line

We also have usefulwidgets.co.uk mapped to the same server (actually, it's a redirect to the .com website), but this .co.uk url has never been given out, nor used by anyone in anyway - and google certainly doesn't have it in it's index.

....I don't know if any of that is of any help?

/fRoGG

Shak

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Msg#: 12509 posted 4:28 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Frogg,

where is/are your domains hosted.

UK or USA?

Shak

frogg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12509 posted 4:37 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

UK hosted

Shak

WebmasterWorld Senior Member shak us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12509 posted 4:39 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Frogg,

that answers your question then.

UK hosted or UK domain does the trick.

Having page titles with UK, or lots of UK specific content does NOT (imo) make any difference if 1 of the above 2 conditions are not present.

There has been rumour of DMOZ category listing having an effect, but I have yet to see proof.

Shak

dwilson

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Msg#: 12509 posted 4:41 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Gandalf, didn't you say that your Italian site has a .it TLD? Everybody seems to be acknowledging that if you have a .uk TLD for your British site, you'll be fine ... which would say Google seems to be handling them alike after all.

jaski

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Msg#: 12509 posted 5:36 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

There has been rumour of DMOZ category listing having an effect, but I have yet to see proof.

Noooooo .. they have no effect whatsoever on this. I have a UK specific .com site and in UK DMOZ for two years but gets filtered out .. would be moving it to a UK host shortly.

Jaski

MHes

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Msg#: 12509 posted 6:06 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

"but as soon as I filter (as most of UK users would do) on UK pages only.."

Evidence suggests only 15-20% click this option.

HitProf

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Msg#: 12509 posted 6:22 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Have you tried the language tag 'en-GB'?

rank outsider

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Msg#: 12509 posted 9:36 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's my experience...

I had a site, hosted in the UK, with a .co.uk domain.

Last month the site was moved to a new domain for legal reasons. The new domain is a .com, and the hoster has changed, but it is still hosted in the UK.

After the last update, Google picked up the new domain and transfered all ranking and PR to it in the main index. However, the site disappeared from google.co.uk.

I had always thought the UK filter was based entirely on where your hosting centre is located. After all, this must surely be the simplest way of doing it. However, my experience suggests otherwise.

Rank Outsider.

MHes

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Msg#: 12509 posted 10:58 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Rank outsider

.co.uk domain is bullet proof for appearing on 'uk only' searches, whether hosted outside UK or not.

UK hosted sites will also always work.... BUT.... many UK hosting companies actually use foreign based servers, that's where the confusion/problem can arise.

HitProf

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12509 posted 11:08 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Using a ccTLD will also *exclude* a site from 'local' search in any other country.

Example: my .fr and .de sites which are hosted in The Netherlands will not show up in Goolge.nl when searching for Dutch sites but the .com will.

Conclusion: the 'hosting' country will only help for international TLD's (.com, .info, .biz etc.).

rank outsider

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12509 posted 10:54 am on May 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi,

> UK hosted sites will also always work...

Well, our site is definitely hosted physically in the UK, as a tracert proves...

---------------------------------------------------
c:\> tracert ukwidgets.com

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.1.1
2 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms bthg305-hg2.bletchley.broadband.bt.net [217.32.6
0.201]
3 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms 217.32.60.129
4 94 ms 47 ms 109 ms 217.32.60.234
5 79 ms 93 ms 78 ms inh2cs01-603.imsnet2.btopenworld.com [62.7.251.1
29]
6 31 ms 31 ms 32 ms 213.120.62.185
7 46 ms 47 ms 78 ms core2-pos12-3.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.31
.45]
8 78 ms 78 ms 63 ms core2-pos13-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.196.249
]
9 78 ms 94 ms 94 ms core2-pos4-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65.
121]
10 140 ms 235 ms 218 ms ge-5-0-0-12-telen-starbuck.router.clara.net [195
.8.68.141]
11 31 ms 31 ms 32 ms ge-1-0-0-telee-tashtego.router.clara.net [213.25
3.16.66]
12 110 ms 125 ms 172 ms fe-4-0-redbus2-pequod.router.clara.net [195.8.68
.185]
13 15 ms 32 ms 15 ms bgp-peer1.nacelle.router.ultraspeed.net [217.158
.78.38]
14 156 ms 125 ms 141 ms blue.srv2.com [62.149.36.33]

Trace complete.

C:\>
---------------------------------------------------

...yet we're still excluded from the UK filter.

Tip: For anyone wanting to do visual traceroutes (to find out where your site is hosted), go to [visualroute.visualware.com...]

Rank Outsider.

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