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They're at it again with the -sj server
different serps and backlinks
waynet

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 1:13 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Looks like they are testing the www-sj.google.com server again. I see 384k backlinks for yahoo and the serps are different.

 

eljefe3

WebmasterWorld Administrator 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 4:49 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Somehow I think that google is always experimenting and this is one of those. How else would they do algo tweaks etc.?

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 4:53 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmmm... i'll go to church on sunday, i promise! ;)

You're in Church Saturday *and* Sunday for that one!

50,000 "hail Google's" and write out "I must get backlinks" 10,000 times.

TJ

Critter

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 4:53 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

They would do algo tweaks on non-public dev servers :)

Peter

ariff44

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 4:53 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

if this is the real update...bankruptcy might be a good option...jk

darkroom

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 4:53 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

whatever it is..atleast i am not impressed..

Critter

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 4:56 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Guys...seriously...use me as the test case of whether or not this is a real update.

I have a site that is *live* on Google right now, with about 1700 pages indexed.

I use absolutely no questionable tactics whatsoever.

I got deeped to the tune of 10K pages in April.

I don't have *one single page* in sj.

'nuff said

Peter

onionrep



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:00 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Could s j stand for spam janitor?

Yidaki

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:03 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>How else would they do algo tweaks etc.?

Yah, that's right. AFAIK, there's no other engine, were the users can watch algo tests and tweaks realtime. Probably just a new test center and hopefully nothing to worry about ...

Critter

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:04 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I believe sj stands for "search jockey"...

Peter

novice

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Msg#: 12467 posted 5:05 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

eFactory states that the Google Dance started on May 2 2003 and that 1/8, www-sj.google.com, of it is completed.

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:08 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

eFactory states that the Google Dance started on May 2 2003 and that 1/8, www-sj.google.com, of it is completed

Forgive my ignorance but I've never heard of eFactory.

Are they reliable? I tend to trust the experience of users of this forum.

Who are eFactory and where do they get their information? Anyone here got the lowdown on them?

TJ

twilight47

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:08 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

If i look at the source for sites that come up under a typical keyword search in sj the top of the page shows this:

<html><script language="javascript" src="http://redirect1.vip.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/referadd?et=3eb2a661&r=http://www-sj.google.com/search%3Fnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%....etc...

This says to me that this is a internal sj test, for what ever reason, and not any set update info.

Anyone?

Ally_Cat

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:13 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I highly doubt this is the beginning of the update. For our top keyword, the first page is filled with various types of spam and previously penalized pages. I'll keep watching this one, but I'm not going to get excited about it.

mrguy

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:16 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

--eFactory states that the Google Dance started on May 2 2003 and that 1/8, www-sj.google.com, of it is completed.--

E who?

Just because somebody says it, doesn't mean it's true.

I think I would trust an update announcement more from Webmaster World than I would EFactory.

Haven't seen one yet on WW.

The back links on SJ are way to messed up to be any kind of an update.

webby2001

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:20 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

.oO(For goodness sake Googleguy put us out of our misery) lol

I think we are in for a longest thread record at this rate. 17 pages and no one even knows if it has started yet!

I can just see Googleguy sitting at his desk either shaking his head or laughing.

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:21 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK, I've found and had a look at eFactory.

That bar on the right looks to me like the product of an automated php script. It probably looks at the various data centres for google and checks yahoo backlinks.

Basically it does what we do manually and gives a report on the status of the other data centres.

It's got confused because SJ is showing something different and it now thinks the dance has started.

This does not look to me like a hand edited page, this is a script running.

Don't trust it.

<EDIT: I take it back, see Markus' posting below, it's not automated, but it represents one persons opinion>

TJ

[edited by: trillianjedi at 5:37 pm (utc) on May 2, 2003]

juniperwasting

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:22 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

That cannot be an update. Not with the insane drop in backlinks I just saw for my main site. Could just be storage?

skipfactor

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:25 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I put a new site up in mid February. I gave it one temporary backlink from an older site of mine to get it crawled.

After I saw Deepbot in the logs, I immediately removed the link.

Doing a backlink search on www-sj only shows this one link to my now +50 backlinked domain.

ADDED: However, new pages that did not exist during the site's initial deepcrawl appear in www-sj

[edited by: skipfactor at 5:30 pm (utc) on May 2, 2003]

djgreg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:26 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

New observations:
Got a site which is up since about 2 weeks now the complete site is in the sj but not in the normal index.

This could make me think it is an update.
But they are showing no backlinks and I think if it was an update they would show backlinks.
That makes me think it is not an update.

Some ranking differences in the SERPS of sj to them in the normal index. Some sites in the TOP3 that only have 5 backlinks from Forum- and Guestbook - Sites.
That makes me think it is an test, because when it is not a test I really have to ask myself how the hell those sites get up there.

So I think 66% no update, 33% update (but a bad one) ;-)

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:27 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

skipfactor:-

Conclusion?

TJ

Markus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:31 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

trillianjedi, nope, it's currently not a script. It's just my opinion. ;)

Trust it or not, IMO the sj index fulfils all the indicators of an update: changed backlinks, new PR showing when you put the data centers IP in your hosts file for toolbarqueries.com, results already showing on www, severe changes in rankings etc.

Of course, it may be a test, but it is an update.

kendos

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:32 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

And what about the "new" DC www-fi.google.com?

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:34 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Markus,

OK, so efactory is your site?

With respect, I think a caveat to say that "it has all the hallmarkings of a dance, but we're not 100% sure yet" would be helpful to your users.

I'm not convinced yet, and I'm sure you'll see not many on this website are!

But, if you turn out to be right, I'll be the first to tip my hat in your direction!

TJ

Canary

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:35 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

www-fi.google.com seems to be working fine - it has not gone wrong like www-sj

(gone wrong - i hope)

djgreg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:35 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

sj is showing only the half of backlinks www is showing.
And www now shows ALL Backlinks not only from sites PR > 4.
When I'm asking link:www.mysite.com many sites with PR1 and PR2 come up.
Strange eh?

skipfactor

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:36 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

trillianjedi-

I was stating some observations to perhaps get a conclusion; I have no clue. :)

Old backlinks, fresh index, maybe some kind of Freshbot-Deepbot hybrid test? GG's not biting on this one so I'd bet it's a test.

PollyG

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:37 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi - Msg from a newbie..

I was talking to one of the Directory Support guys for Yahoo in the UK today who mentioned that they are having technical problems with their Directory / Web search and are doing testing.. I know you're all chatting about Google but wondered if there might be a connection being that Yahoo results are powered by Google.

Canary

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:39 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi PollyG,

A lot of people have said that www-sj is the data centre for Yahoo and Alexa.

Yahoo seems to be fine for me at the moment though.

Maybe something in what you say

SeventiesMartin

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:40 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

If this were an update then surely it would have been rolled out to another data center by now.

sj has been like this for around 16 hours at least, if it is an update I would expect other data centers to be showing the new index by now.

MOOSBerlin

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:42 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

@trillianjedi: "it has all the hallmarkings of a dance, but we're not 100% sure yet"

Why we're not 100% sure yet? All was like the last update beginning at google-ex!

trillianjedi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member trillianjedi us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 12467 posted 5:43 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have no clue. :)

I know the feeling!

This one is unprecendented I think, which is why it's impossible to say whether or not it's a dance.

But the safe money has to be on "not a dance, and not the new index" because the probability of google doing a deep crawl and then not using the data, but going to some form of hybrid 2 month old index/freshbot results must be pretty low and certainly not worth updating the datacentres with.

The current index, if you ignore the freshbot additions on SJ, is more up to date.

TJ

[edited by: trillianjedi at 5:43 pm (utc) on May 2, 2003]

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