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Detection Of Hidden Stuff
seeking pub conference feedback
austtr




msg:136979
 10:26 pm on Apr 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

From a post in another thread:

<For those who get to the pubconference and talk about this new hidden text algo, please post it here<

OK party people, anyone sober enough yet to write an intelligible response on this?

 

ogletree




msg:137069
 2:03 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

They may have hidden text but it does very little for their ranking. Title and PR have the highest weight in the SERPS and you can't use hidden text in either. Get those 2 things and you will beat out hidden text every time.

shaadi




msg:137070
 2:52 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

They may have hidden text but it does very little for their ranking.

Well you would have missed the URL which I had posted out of pure frustration. Which of course I removed later of shame :(

GoogleGuy




msg:137071
 3:08 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi shaadi, I'm seeing 3 spam reports from you. Only 1 mentions hidden text, and that report is only a couple days old. I would be a little more patient. The site should get caught, but checking doesn't happen right when you submit a site. Hope that helps.

shaadi




msg:137072
 3:15 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks GoogleGuy, that really helps!

victor




msg:137073
 3:28 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

shaadi
Create a forum like OPD project did.

No need -- there's already a Usenet forum: google.public.support.general

[groups.google.com...]

Googleguy hangs out there sometimes, and URL drops are almost compulsary.

GoogleGuy




msg:137074
 3:29 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

No worries, shaadi. I dropped a quick post in kaled's thread too, but I think kaled decided on a position a long time ago. ;)

bcolflesh




msg:137075
 3:49 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think kaled decided on a position a long time ago

GoogleGuy - master of understatement!

Regards,
Brent

DynamicStatics




msg:137076
 3:59 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yeah come on Shaadi, up here with that fowl mouth of yours...chill out man - just research and dont worry about the comp In a sense of what they are "wearing" - If Im playing Basketball I don't care what kind of shoes the next guy is wearing...or whats on his shirt, I am there to play(work) the game and HAVE FUN - when you dont do that you get carried away and there is no sense in giving yourself an ulser...
Plus my man, hidin text is such a joke to me - and I would put one of these monitors on it the comp is probably schooling you with links anyway judging by your huge concern for on-page criteria -

Breath Deep

DS

shaadi




msg:137077
 6:20 am on May 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

No worries, shaadi.

Thanks again GoogleGuy ;-)

JudgeJeffries




msg:137078
 9:34 am on May 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Googleguy indicated that the sites should get caught which suggests to me that the spam reports on those particular sites are merely reviewed and then the issue is left to the algo, but what about the other sites that the algo is not set up to catch. There are, according to a lot of members here numerous examples of blatant and multiple spam that really mess up certain sectors of the serps. If Google cannot get them automatically what is it going to do about them?

4eyes




msg:137079
 9:37 am on May 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shaadi

safesearch filter? pls explain

Google has a safesearch filter which attempts to filter out adult content. You can switch it on by using the preferences link on the main Google page.

Hope this helps

shaadi




msg:137080
 10:36 am on May 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

If Im playing Basketball I don't care what kind of shoes the next guy is wearing...or whats on his shirt, I am there to play(work) the game -DynamicStatics

But I do make sure that both the baskets on the court are on the same level...

If not, then I report it to the mach ref. If that doesn't help, I post in Webmaster World. :)

shaadi




msg:137081
 10:41 am on May 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks b4eyes

If Google cannot get them automatically what is it going to do about them?

Also JudgeJeffries, I think the site in the question was such a example, but the spam reports really helps. :)

Monkscuba




msg:137082
 11:22 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

...a few days later.

I posted one time saying that there's very little spam in our little niche. I've never seen any hidden text..until today. A site that's been around for ages, often ranking pretty well (mostly below us though). I'd never actually looked at it before. When I saw the index page with a load of blank space at the bottom, I thought either it's bad design or..

view source

OMG. hundreds of keywords. same colour as background. smallest size possible to squeeze them in..

Have just sent my first Google Spam Report.

Congratulations, son. You're a man. Making the web a better place. I feel so righteous.

shaadi




msg:137083
 11:27 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Have just sent my first Google Spam Report.

Congratulations, son. You're a man. Making the web a better place. I feel so righteous.

Monkscuba, thanks! but I didn't undestand your post :-s

Monkscuba




msg:137084
 12:21 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

"thanks! but I didn't undestand your post"

First beer, first sh*g, first spam report.

(the first two were not today)

shaadi




msg:137085
 12:24 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

LOL Monkscuba, Welcome to the club ;)

Bio4ce




msg:137086
 4:31 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was just going through some of my logs, and I came across a number of referrals from one site. I checked it out and I couldn't find my link on their site. I looked at the source code and there it was.

<a href="http://www.my-site.com" target="_blank"> </a>

Is this something that I should be worried about with google being that it is a hidden link on their site? My gut tells me that this would be a good thing, but then again, google may think I'm trying to trick them. Any thoughts?

< sorry for my spelling errors. I was excited :) >

[edited by: Bio4ce at 4:43 am (utc) on June 4, 2003]

Krapulator




msg:137087
 4:33 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

It shouldn't adversly affect your site, but why not email them and ask (nicely) for some juicy anchor text in the middle?

BigDave




msg:137088
 4:36 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

You should send that nice webmaster a thank you note.

If you think they are intending to give you a link, but just forgot the anchor text, you might want to point it out to them.

If they are a competitior, enjoy the boost till they are caught.

coconutz




msg:137089
 4:37 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hidden Links.... [webmasterworld.com]

I wouldn't worry about it. :)

Bio4ce




msg:137090
 4:47 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Cool. Thanks everyone!

Dalmatian




msg:137091
 12:09 am on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thought hidden text was at least treated as irrelevant even back in AV domination days.
However, specially after Dominic did it's job, I'm seing more and more sites within my interesting keyword range using hidden text as their keyword dentisty source.
Is it punishable, considering the fact most of the keywords are actualy related to content of the page. How come it's indexed at all - it seems to be just PLAIN white text on white background - nothing fancy nor hardly detectable.
Opinions?

pleeker




msg:137092
 12:14 am on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thought hidden text was at least treated as irrelevant even back in AV domination days.
However, specially after Dominic did it's job, I'm seing more and more sites within my interesting keyword range using hidden text as their keyword dentisty source.

Hidden text is most definitely spam, and punishable. The sites you're finding will discover that eventually.

hotice_2002




msg:137093
 12:57 am on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have ever found and reported some sites ranking at top 5 with competitive keywords on Google. But Google never punish them. I think now Google often disregard some relevant hidden text with hight PR site.
This kind of sites have been there for few months, they are still there.

I have ever reported one site ranking #1 but without relevant content to the search term, Google removed it rapidly.

So I believe sometimes Google disregard some hidden text and does not punish them.

Dalmatian




msg:137094
 1:10 am on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thank you for experiences.

So I believe sometimes Google disregard some hidden text and does not punish them.

It seems to me the crystal ball is a must have tool for any SEO :)

In my opinion they should publish their "what get's you punished" guide more clearly. This way relevancy is hurted in a way. Those who dare to risk a removal often end up on better position. Or it's simply reward for courage. :)

anyone had any ideas or suggestions to local Googleguy(s) about this?

Marcia




msg:137095
 1:13 am on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google is partial to software and algo-driven solutions, and steps are progessively taken to maintain quality SERPs. They do take reports into consideration, but apply their own methods of solution. It make not be "nuke on demand" as some might want or expect, but that's all that can be done.

Those who feel they must, do what they feel they need to do, and then the wisest thing for anyone to do is to take their eyes off what others are doing and put them back on their own sites. There's no site around that can't do with some improvement in some way or another, and IMHO that's exactly what our job is.

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