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Google Earthquake! Big Changes
AthlonInside




msg:78003
 2:01 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow, I have notice a big swing in the SERPs! Listing which used to appear on page 1 now drop to page 2 and many unknown results now pop to page 1 and page 2. My site drop from page 3 to page 5 and I strongly believe it is not due to fresh bot.

It's the algo change, or maybe server unstability. The change of SERPs is confirm on www-ex datacenter. Check it out.

The only thing that make me happy is my competitor which is very pround of his traffic from google is now drop to page 2. LOL.

 

mat




msg:78004
 2:09 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Compared to when? Yesterday to today? Identical search phrase?
As with most of these 'massive' reported changes, things seem as solid, status quo-ish as ever from where I'm searching.
Give some quantitative details that aren't site-specific.

yankee




msg:78005
 2:10 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just an everflux tremor, no big earthquake.

martinibuster




msg:78006
 2:13 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

No earthquake here.

:)

fom2001uk




msg:78007
 2:19 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

In general terms, how often do the SERPS change?

I've always wondered.

hitthedeck




msg:78008
 2:19 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

It appears in the last 2 months everflux changes have a slightly greater range then before when it seemed to be just a place here or there with the new serps.

creative craig




msg:78009
 2:23 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I dont see any big changes here, same old serps for me on several different keyword topics :)

Craig

AhmedF




msg:78010
 2:30 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see HUGE changes in a 'VERY' competitive field

sticky me for it.

AthlonInside




msg:78011
 2:40 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, for all the search terms I have, only those very competitive has a huge change in SERPs. I really mean HUGE! But I have to keep the keyword to myself. Even if you got the keyword, it is useless because you have never seen the old SERPs.

And most important it depends on the data center which return your SERPs. The datacenter that I confirm has changes is www-ex.google.com

I have just notice the site that gets to page 1 (in a competitive area) is a guestbook spammer.

BigDave




msg:78012
 3:17 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Traffic was down very slightly after the update. Monday was slightly better than a normal monday the previous month, Tuesday was up about 25% :) and today is running in the same traffic range as yesterday.

My traffic is based on over 10,000 keyphrases and my best keyphrase is only good for 0.3% of the search traffic. After major hits from freshbot I generally see a 5% jump.

I have seen a mid-update jump like this once before and after going over the SERPs, I came to the conclusion that they had tweaked the *search* algo while leaving the index the same.

With so many keyphrases, I don't bother to really keep track anymore. So I can't really say how much my positions have changed, or who moved up or down. The few that I follow are actually showing me lower than I was last week :( but I'm not complaining since I have the increase in traffic, which is what counts.

annej




msg:78013
 3:23 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmmm, I see that the site that used to 'mine' and never took that site down even tho now it tells 'about' things is double listed on -ex. I was so pleased that they quit listing both of these duplicate sites so I hope -ex isn't showing what the future will be.

Receptional Andy




msg:78014
 3:26 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't see any unusual changes whatsoever, for competitive terms or otherwise, on any of the data centres. Am I missing something?

surely this isn't an 'is this the update thread' already? ;)

dazz




msg:78015
 3:29 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

No, i dont see anything either.

Receptional Andy




msg:78016
 4:10 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

using an unmentionable google dance tool I can see practically no difference between the data centers for a number of highly competitive terms (very competitive terms).

My conclusion: no big changes at Google. Maybe they just kicked out some big spammers on your SERPs or something.

AhmedF




msg:78017
 4:16 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

again I offer a sticky.

The ones who have seen it have agreed it was quite a major shift .. comparing www. to www-ex.

AthlonInside




msg:78018
 4:21 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

At least in www-ex, it is still the earthday logo. :)

JeremyL




msg:78019
 4:35 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Different but definitally not eathshattering. Looks like everyday everflux to me. As I have mentioned in another thread or two, i am slowly but surely seeing everflux/freshbot becoming the dominate bot and deepbot falling to the side.

lasko




msg:78020
 4:41 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't see no earth day logo but I will agree that things are not their usual self.

No fresh dates for a long time and the update was well over a week ago.

I usually see fresh dates every two days and I have many new pages plus my main index page has changed.

It would be nice if Google has an update every week instead of a month. When I mean an update I mean allowing all websites have a visit from the fresh bot and not just a selection, then a main update once a month.

I am now having more and more time sensitive pages that offer special deals for easter etc. content that is made a few days before and needs to be shown to the world by next week. It does seem unfair that some web sites have freshbot and others don't.

I know because 70% of my sites have fresh bot while the other 30% has nothing even with the same pr rating and as many pages in their database.

Could it not be that after an update Google runs through the new database using some sort of results filter to try and delete some of the spam and then re-updates the whole database.

Just a thought!

lasko




msg:78021
 4:44 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

aha now I see the earth day logo

That is strange

:-)

whiterabbit




msg:78022
 5:06 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

for my first posting:

my site has vanished completely from google serps

it was ranking in the top ten for the site keywords, and had a pile of pages listed...now there are none, not one...i can't even find my site with the site name! (my one method for checking that i was still there)

Something has happened...(no updates to the site, nothing changed)

Tamarick




msg:78023
 5:50 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I too saw a major traffic drop (about 50%). My site also dropped in PR (from 3 to 1). I know I didn't lose any backlinks cause I only had a few and they're still there...

The drop happend the day after Google last updated...

What gives?

AthlonInside




msg:78024
 5:58 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think they test their new algo to one of their datacenter. :)

Different Algo + Same Index = Different SERPs

Jakpot




msg:78025
 7:56 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wish - Google settle down on PR. I dread the dances. Never
know what firestorm will hit.

Web sites should be evaluated/rated on their own merit not
some Sorority like bs like PR. Although it is only one of
X rating factors much to much is made of "my PR"

My 2c worth

AthlonInside




msg:78026
 8:01 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

JakPot,

PR and backlinks is the backbone of Google. They are not BS, if yes, why so many internet users use them? why yahoo, aol, earthlink has to be powered by google.

And why you are reading and posting in the forum? :)

Lasko,

> It would be nice if Google has an update every week instead of a month

I will be the first who will die of heart attack! Now google update once a month, at least if I know I am safe, I don't need to worry until next month. If Google updates every week, then I'll have to worry all the time, worry of ranking drop, worry of new competitors, worry of my $$$. :)

peterdaly




msg:78027
 8:05 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Things may have changed.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Look at my post (first on the page), and GoogleGuy's response further down.

-Pete

Napoleon




msg:78028
 8:11 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting one Peter.

"automatic hidden-text detection algorithms soon"... says GG. No problem with that - providing it works correctly.

I'm still smarting from some new domain names I bought, only to discover down stream (recently) that they had penalties carried from a previous life. That's shaken my confidence in Google a bit.

rfgdxm1




msg:78029
 8:20 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I think they test their new algo to one of their datacenter. :)
Different Algo + Same Index = Different SERPs

I'm seeing the exact same SERPs on all datacenters through the first 100 positions. I can't imagine this could happen with a different algo. There would be at least *some* movement somewhere.

RawAlex




msg:78030
 8:38 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

My biggest concern these days with google is that with the toolbar, people are too interested in building sites that get good PR, and not sites that are good for the public. By making it easy to measure PR and easy to see positive or negative moves, people are able to SEO to get better PR.

These better PR sites are often as spammy as the old excite spam pages, and just about as useful.

I am starting to think we are making sites only to please googlebot, and not to be surfer friendly anymore.

Alex

qball0213




msg:78031
 8:38 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just noticed that I no longer have the google category, the one it gets from DMOZ, under my listing, so I guess they were down during part of the update?

lasko




msg:78032
 9:05 pm on Apr 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I will be the first who will die of heart attack! Now google update once a month, at least if I know I am safe, I don't need to worry until next month. If Google updates every week, then I'll have to worry all the time, worry of ranking drop, worry of new competitors, worry of my $$$. :)

Its best to look into the way Google thinks, they want a good quality search engine providing quality relative web sites, The key to success is to respect Google and if they update more often and your web site stays with in their guide lines then none of us should have anything to worry about.

One lesson I have learn't is to spend more time on my web site improving the structure and the content for a successful return then just being dependent on Google. What if Google suddenly changed the way they operate and we all have to change the way we work.

Google is a quality marketing scource but the key to success is your own service. The right product or service at the right price.

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