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Is Google really #1 SE?
number 1 search engine
ogletree




msg:157734
 6:33 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have seen seveal people say that google is #1 or has 3/4 of the SE hits. Is this true? How do we know. I have a few search terms that are #1 on Yahoo and Google and I get more hits from Yahoo. It seems to me that I get way more hits from Yahoo and AOL. Only tech savy people use Google. Normal People that have AOL, MSN, or whatever ISP advertises the most in there home town don't use Google. They use what ever comes up after they install the ISP software. I want to be listed well in Google but I don't use it. Yahoo seems to work much better for me. Yahoo is my home page becasue I can go there to check my mail, find a map, or play a game if I want to. Our office has Yahoo set up as the default page for everyone.

 

rfgdxm1




msg:157735
 6:37 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I gather you aren't aware both Yahoo and AOL are just warmed over Google search results?

curlykarl




msg:157736
 7:59 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

"I have seen seveal people say that google is #1"

"Is this true?"

YES :)

tigger




msg:157737
 8:02 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

most of my clients get between 60/80% of there traffic from Google so it's number uno in my books too

chiyo




msg:157738
 8:51 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Only tech savy people use Google.<<

Where is your evidence? This may have been true 3 or 4 years ago, but not in the past 2. If anything Google is now the "common man brand" for search, used by those who know enough about the internet to cut their umbilical cords to the training wheels of ISP and mega-portals. I accept however that many casual users use Y! or AOL or ISP home pages as their default page, usually because they have not worked out yet how to change it, are too lazy too, dont visit the web enough times to justify the move, or have not yet had the motivation to do so..

As others have said, Google results power AOL and much of Y! so in the end they are google results.

Yes, estimates range from 70% to 85% for the percetage of search engine results supplied directly or indirectly from Google.

>>Our office has Yahoo set up as the default page for everyone.<<

Better get them to change to Google. Then the workers will spend less time dredging through ads, paying yahoo games, and finally get down and so some work! What sort of industry is your company in by the way? Iid be interested to know the types of companies that set people's home page to yahoo.

cornwall




msg:157739
 8:54 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I have seen seveal people say that google is #1 or has 3/4 of the SE hits. Is this true? How do we know.

You need a decent log file analysis of your web site.

Have a look at either the free counters of various sorts, or, if you can access your raw log files, look at the varios analysis software around,

cornwall




msg:157740
 8:58 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Better get them to change to Google. Then the workers will spend less time dredging through ads, paying yahoo games, and finally get down and so some work!

Very true. But if you have to have Yahoo as your home page, then why not install Google tool bar as well and get both Yahoo and Google on tap?

kwngian




msg:157741
 10:08 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Many of our tech savy indian programmers use rediff and yahoo.

Many of our clients use msn since their default installation of Windows has msn as their home page. I always disable it but alas there are just that much that I can disable given the time pressure that we are alway under.

I know of google from my isp's home page search option. Use it then because they return the most relevant results for anything that I search for.

Google lacks the clutter of mail, chat and other options which may not always be good.

2oddSox




msg:157742
 11:42 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

My Mum and Dad use Google. And I'm not young.

Say no more.

2odd...

optisoft




msg:157743
 12:48 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

There is 1 non-english SE that I was aware of in march that outperformed google's search totals by around 40%, but forgot.

Searches Per Day ( February 25, 2003 )
------------------
Google 250 million
Overture 167 million
Inktomi 80 million
LookSmart 45 million
FindWhat 33 million
Ask Jeeves 20 million
AltaVista 18 million
FAST 12 million

TheWebographer




msg:157744
 1:31 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

The readership to our online daily newspaper tends to be older than the average internet user. Here I see Google as the number one search engine followed by MSN, Yahoo, and AOL - which are possibly the default home pages on their browsers. It seems the older set likes to use AOL more than the younger.

But you are right, there are many people that just keep the default that was on the browser when they bought the computer.

Brett_Tabke




msg:157745
 1:38 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

optisoft, those are "self reported" figures. (same thing that is on searchenginewatch [216.239.39.100]) (not real trustworthy figures).

We all pretty much know from our own log files that Google has about 85-90% of the se referrals today, and 95-98%+ of the FREE inclusion referrals. Any other figures but your own log files are dismissable.

PatrickDeese




msg:157746
 5:35 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

3 month period from a site that gets ~ 800 uniques daily:
Hits from search engines:
google.com 23076 (50%)
yahoo 13366 (29%)
msn 6110 (13%)
aol.com 2064 (4%)
altavista 768 (1%)
lycos 167 (0%)
iwon.com 83 (0%)
looksmart.com 26 (0%)
mamma.com 16 (0%)
netscape.com 9 (0%)
alltheweb.com 3 (0%)
go2net.com 2 (0%)
______________________

This site is not in Yahoo directory therefore, all AOL searches and Yahoo searches are Googlified.

FYI it is also #3 in Alltheweb for 3 primary target terms, and #1 in altavista for its primary.

TheWebographer




msg:157747
 8:18 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Patrick, your results are quite close to ours.

askjoe




msg:157748
 8:41 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I believe google is one of the best - here's why. Two months a ago my site didn't even exist - no domain, no webhosting, nothing!

I created my site and optimized it according to google. Within the first index I was comming up #1 for several key phrases that I targeted. I'm generating sales on a daily basis and get about 600 total visitors daily - not bad for only 60 days. I'm making money and spending absolutely nothing on advertising - my only costs is the webhosting service.

With other search engines, my advertising budget would be huge! With 1$,2$ + clicks it only makes since that I choose google to go with. You simply can't beat it!

Askjoe

Namaste




msg:157749
 8:44 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Your log files are not an indicator of SE usage patterns.

It is easiest to optimize for Google...because they have a sensible algo, crawl deep and update frequently. Thus all of us here are doing pretty well on Google. With other SE's it's pot-luck...sometimes you get listed well, and sometimes you don't...I think most of us here have given up optimising for the others.

Because we are doing well on Google, we get most of our hits from Google. It dosen't mean the other search engines are not used much. I know many people who use MSN, AJ, and miscellaneous portals powered by various SEs. But we all don't get much traffic from those 'cause we are nowhere on them.

Thus your log files are not a correct indicator of SE usage.
This is similiar to the classic mistake companies make; for eg., many retailers study what is being bought and keep producing more of that product thinking it is what is in demand...not realising, that there are other products that they don't stock which customers are buying from other shops.

I personally think, Google+AOL+Yahoo is not more than 50% of the query market. Though, this trio is responsible for 90% of my SE traffic.

Can we hear from users who are well listed on Inktomi,AJ and Google?

askjoe




msg:157750
 9:37 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's the thing though - I'm basically able to create a store with almost no money and within 2 months produce sales - I spent literally 50$ before my first sale - where else can I find an avenue for business like that? At least in a business sense, you simply cannot find a better environment to sell your goods, even if it is only 50% of the total traffic online. Basically, it's allowing anyone who has the patience and know-how to compete with the big boys - all of a sudden money is not longer a factor.

Think about it, how else would I compete with XYZ inc. with a million dollar advertising budget? I couldn't, but on google I can and even crush them.

Whether you're a business or a non-profit trying to get your word out - google gives you a platform to do so and reach a lot of people at a very economic price.

Askjoe

BigDave




msg:157751
 10:02 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

To see how other sites are doing, it is simply a matter of searching on "inurl:awstats.pl" and you can check out the stats on quite a variety of different sites. It looks to me like google is #1 by a fairly wide margin in almost every case.

Namaste




msg:157752
 9:39 pm on Apr 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks BD, I did look over a lot of the stats.

Definetly, Google is the largest contributior to traffic (as well as the deepest crawler)...but it is in the range of 40%-60% and not 70%-90% as some are suggesting.

What is interesting is that Yahoo is between 10%-25% and MSN is 7%-20%. With the coming switch to Inktomi for Yahoo, Inktomi, will be 17%-45%.

These stats confirm another theory of mine: Google is no.1 due to sheer muscle. They crawl deeper and more often. The other SEs are going to catch up soon, they have all merged and have the financial muscle to build the hardware muscle.

BigDave




msg:157753
 10:52 pm on Apr 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

The 70-90% claim usually includes AOL and Yahoo.

Here are the top 4 on my site:

Google 14982 69.1%
Yahoo 4279 19.7%
MSN 1027 4.7%
AOL 439 2%

As you can see Google+Yahoo+AOL= 90.8%

This is not considering google images with 40 hits, 452 from the toolbar, and another couple hundred from earthlink, attbi, att.net, comcast, etc. so it is probably around 95% google for my site.

I don't expect that percentage to stay that high. After 9 months online many of the other SEs have decided to finally deep crawl my site. Ink is the only one that ever even made it into the triple digits of pages crawled before this month.

Of course those percentages are for SE traffic. Bookmarks and link traffic account for more than 50% of my users. And I look forward to the day that they other engines can keep up with Google.

1milehgh80210




msg:157754
 12:24 am on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Basically, it's allowing anyone who has the patience and know-how to compete with the big boys - all of a sudden money is not longer a factor.
Think about it, how else would I compete with XYZ inc. with a million dollar advertising budget? I couldn't, but on google I can and even crush them."<<

Exactly,look at two of the recent succes stories of the internet -GOOGLE & EBAY. They let the little guy compete.

How long until the big boys fight back? (wondering?)

hitchhiker




msg:157755
 2:28 am on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

patience and know-how to compete with the big boys - all of a sudden money is not longer a factor.

That's how it started..

They're warming up, big guns just tend to take longer to re-target.

We got it good with G, they're 'clean', but things tend to change, one way or another somebody will start trying to make big bucks off us.

jady




msg:157756
 2:23 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

We get 60% or more traffic from Google - but we have noticed that MSN has been REALLY coming up on all of our Client's websites!

creative craig




msg:157757
 2:32 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

I own/run 6 sites and have a say in the day to day running of another 9 and Google has well over 85% in all of them.. its number one for me and my visitors at least :)

Craig

Namaste




msg:157758
 2:47 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Creative, how are you positioned on others SEs?

sullen




msg:157759
 3:40 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK, just got the calculator out...

I have a site which runs several PPC campaigns and is therefore better placed in searchengines other than Google for many terms. We still get 62% of search-engine referred traffic from Google/Yahoo/AOL (36% from Google itself)

creative craig




msg:157760
 4:50 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Fast I am with in the top 15 for 3 major keywords and Altavista is the same roughly, I have to remind the people I work with about other SE's, they only ever worry about Google :)

Craig

europeforvisitors




msg:157761
 5:04 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

jady wrote:

We get 60% or more traffic from Google - but we have noticed that MSN has been REALLY coming up on all of our Client's websites!

I've noticed the same thing. Google is still my #1 referrer by a large margin, but MSN occasionally edges out Yahoo as #2, and it's close to Google for some of my more important keyphrases. (On one recent day, MSN actually provided more referrals than Google did for a keyword where I rank #1 in both search engines.)

AmericanBulldog




msg:157762
 5:25 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

I would have to agree MSN is gaining, i was just looking at my logs before popping in here today, and MSN is second to pure G in my logs and a close second. Thing is I rank 1&2 for my two most important keywords on G and 12-13 on MSN!

If I could only figure how to get to 1-2 on MSN while maintaining it on G!

jady




msg:157763
 7:02 pm on Apr 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Funniest thing! (Kudos to Google and MSN) We rank in top 2 to 4 for our keywords on Google and MSN bring thousands of hits per month. BUT we rank #1 on Lycos AND Altavista for our choice KW's and get (maybe on a good month) 10 hits..

This is why I dont even bother looking at these SE's unless I am trying to impress a Client! :P

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