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The link count difference between Google & AlltheWeb
allanp73




msg:158042
 2:50 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I noticed something really strange today. On Google one of my sites has about 500 backlinks where as on AlltheWeb it has 79,000. I know Google only shows pr4+ links, but still it doesn't make much sense. Why is there such a discrepancy?

 

jeremy goodrich




msg:158043
 2:58 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

One thing I've noticed that is very different on Alltheweb & Google, is the number of 'mirror DMOZ sites' that end up indexed / stable in Alltheweb & not in Google.

That being only one example of what I'm sure are thousands of differences in the content, pages, and sites they both have indexed ( their db's aren't the same size, and Alltheweb has an XML program that I don't know how meshes with their web cralwed database.)

Those are just a few ideas, really. There could be any number of huge differences, for example, I have all my content in Google, while the other engines index no more than 50% on many sites, sometimes, nothing more than the home page of a 60+ page site.

allanp73




msg:158044
 3:30 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

The DMOZ thing explains about 8,000 links (which is the number of sites it powers). Still 71,000 more to explain. Thanks for the input.

buckworks




msg:158045
 3:37 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Something I've noticed is that AllTheWeb's number seems to include links to all pages in the site, not just links to the home page. If there's a way to make ATW check the links to just one page I can't figure it out.

carfac




msg:158046
 3:44 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't know if this helps or not.... but this is something I noticed in the last google dance. I normally have had about 450 back links. During the dance, I checked, and at one point, I had 67,900. I was looking forward to a big PR 9! Well, an hour later, it settled back down to 560... a decent improvement.

Near as I can figure, for that hour, Google had not yet removed all the back links from my own pages. Not too familiar with ATW, but could they also include b/l from yourself.... and google does not?

Just a theory.

dave

WebGuerrilla




msg:158047
 3:45 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


All the rest are either considered to be duplicates of pages already indexed by Google, or they are pages that hav received a PR0.

Google seems to be going out of their way to distort the backlink function to a point of making it completely worthless from a PR analysis oint of view.

Idaho




msg:158048
 4:24 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've noticed my competitor's sites have the same sort of ratios that you describe (many more links from ATW than from G.) Why does my site have more Google links than ATW?

I have a small 40-page commercial site with a PR5 and about 200 Google links and about 125 ATW links. I have had this ratio for at least the last 10 months or so. I have developed web links by hand with other webmsters. I have never submitted to either Google or ATW but have just relied on their robots to find my site. I also do much better on Google's SERPs (top 3 in my keyword) than on ATW.

Is it likely that those linked to me somehow aren't spidered by ATW? What is happening here?

flatware




msg:158049
 4:29 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

How can I get PR number, I just find a blue line at the beginning of the title.

PatrickDeese




msg:158050
 4:41 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

What I notice in ATW is that it seems to include all the links to the domain, no matter what page they are linked to.

For instance if i look for

link:penguin-foobar-widgets.com

in google, it might show me 100 links.

if i did another search at google for:

link:penguin-foobar-widgets.com/colors/blue.html

i would possibly come up with another set of external links that don't show up in the first search, and the ones to the main domain don't appear.

Now, the thing is ATW seems to include any link to the domain:

link:penguin-foobar-widgets.com includes links to

www.penguin-foobar-widgets.com/colors/blue.html
www.penguin-foobar-widgets.com/shapes/square.html
www.penguin-foobar-widgets.com/sizes/big.html

So, depending on your site, this might have something to do with it.

For instance I run a site that has nearly every page in the yahoo directory and DMOZ (each page of the site has a biography of a celebrity). A site with a lot of links from sites to different sections will appear much differently between the two search engines.

What should you do? Make a web directory based on all those 71,000 sites that link to you, so that they get a PR boost, and then when you are PR9, please link to me. :)

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$#@$@# typo edit.

NotePad




msg:158051
 5:39 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

flatware get the google toolbar to see PR...aside from tht its a great tool to have just for normal surfing :)

[toolbar.google.com...]

flatware




msg:158052
 8:14 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

what is backward link, it seems that backward link doesn't include all links which link to the site?

flatware




msg:158053
 8:16 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

is there any standard for page rank?

jezzer72




msg:158054
 8:25 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

flatware, you'd better start reading this forum some more ... the answers to your questions are all here :-)

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