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Unclustered search results
change num=10 to num=1
jesserud




msg:51945
 3:16 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

From the why-didn't-I-think-of-this-before dept:

Changing num=10 to num=1 in a Google search URL gives you unclustered results. (Clustering is why if you're reading at 10 results per result page, and two URLs from the same site are both in the top 10, the two URLs always appear together and with the second indented.)

Example use, writing #n for clustered rank and *n for unclustered rank:

I've been #3 and #4 for my favorite keyword for a long time, while another site has been #1 and #2 for as long as I can remember. In unclustered results, I'm *2 and *5 (*2 and *6 before Cassandra) while he's *1 and *3 (*1 and *3 before Cassandra). These unclustered ranks show that I'm fairly close to getting the #1 spot (I wouldn't be close if he had both *1 and *2). They also show that I moved up slightly in Cassandra, which isn't visible in clustered results.

While switching to num=1 prevents clustering, it doesn't seem to allow more than two URLs from the same site to appear in the same search.

 

HitProf




msg:51946
 12:12 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Nice find jesserud!

Why haven't I thought of that?

I now know that 8 + 9 is made up of 7 + 10 and 4 + 5 still makes 4 + 5 :)

mipapage




msg:51947
 12:24 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Great stuff jesserud. Off to try it out!

albert




msg:51948
 12:27 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

@Jesserud:
Maybe I'm a little bit clumsy, but I don't understand.

When I change to num=1 I get just one result. num=2 two results, a.s.o.

But always in the same order as with num=10.

What's wrong?

George




msg:51949
 12:29 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am lost on this one. Tried everything!

From the basic search URL,

[google.com...]

where are you looking?
George

ciml




msg:51950
 12:32 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was mystified too, but I think I get it now.

If you set num=1 and keep clicking next, you can find out what positions the URLs are at.

Nice find jesserud!

Why-didn't-I-think-of-this-before?

vitaplease




msg:51951
 12:35 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

[aol.co.uk...]

albert




msg:51952
 12:47 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks CIML, and thanks Jesserud. Nice.

mipapage




msg:51953
 1:08 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow,

Vitaplease, if I search from there we rule our search phrases, very different results than from google. Were you trying to tel us something?

I haven't been able to find a 'num=' anything. Can someone post a sample URL for the dunb guy in class?

vitaplease




msg:51954
 1:10 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Were you trying to tel us something?

I like looking at Serps showing my site's pages from results 1 to 10 :)

mipapage




msg:51955
 1:17 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Me too. Although I only have one through eight, but alas, only eight pages.

Why does it do that?

vitaplease




msg:51956
 1:24 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think its a glitch, Aol usa had it in the beginning as well.

Its nice to see how your other pages (third in ranking etc) are doing relative to others.

albert




msg:51957
 1:30 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

@mipapage:

I've found num=10 using G's advanced search.

mipapage




msg:51958
 1:33 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Albert:

Right, I'd stuck a somewhat random num=1 into the string and got the same result. What I see is the same serp, just one result at a time. This for a few of my searches, you guys actually see something different this way?

(granted the indents are gone)

<edit>Okay, I managed a search where something is different. Some of the indented ones actually left the SERP </edit>

netguy




msg:51959
 1:38 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

mipapage... yea, I'm seeing the same SERPs 1 at a time as well (checking three of my keywords - non were indented). Maybe one day I'll see a reason for excitement for this exercise, and rejoice with the rest. :)

mipapage




msg:51960
 1:47 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I managed to do one, not for any of my keywords mind you, but what happened is that some of the indented ones disappear.

From that and since my sites indented one's didn't disappear, I can conclude that my indented one's are good enough to be there on there own, I guess.

jesserud




msg:51961
 5:56 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

More precise procedure: Add &num=1 to the search URL (or replace &num=10 by &num=1 if the URL already contains &num=10). Then click "next" repeatedly to see unclustered results one at a time.

When determining the rank of a result, be sure to look at the blue bar which says "Results 6-6 of..." (etc) rather than &start= in the URL, because start is one less than the number of the first result shown.

Sorry for not posting an example before, I was trying to avoid indirectly "linking" to my site. Here are some examples where my sites don't appear in serps:

fuzzy widgets: webmasterworld #2 and #3, and is indeed *2 and *3 in unclustered results.
open-source: opensource.org is #1 and #2, but unclustered is *1 and *4.
usenet: faqs.org is #2 and #3, ibiblio is #4 and #5. Unclustered, faqs *2 and *7, ibiblio *3 and *10.

vitaplease: From the search "open-source" (and also my unposted "favorite search term"), it looks like [aol.co.uk...] is clustered. The difference between Google and aoluk is that aoluk does not limit searches to 2 URLs per hostname.

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