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Ok - Who's the champ?
Just to break the tension!

 8:42 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Who scores highest for their single mega keyword in Google, in the most competitive category? Here goes, me first:

Current rank: #4
Number of results: 2,460,000



 9:09 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

being a webmasterworld member, you should be #1 for that keyword :) (the competition is not that SEO clever)

to be honest your question is very difficukt to answer.

however I can assure you that there are industries with 5 million plus results and webmasterworld members dominate all of page 1 listings, that may give you a clue.

the thing to bear in mind is how "clean" a game are we playing here, and what would happen if "some" of those sites went under a "hand edit" by a Google editor.

and the answer is most would be blown out of the serps instantly.

sorry if thats not what you wanted to hear, but its the truth.

gone are the days of playing games to get to the top, trick is to be high enough to make a difference but also "clean" so you can pass a Google editor should they decide to investigate.



 9:38 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

nuff said


 9:45 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'll play...

Single keyword 1
#3 out of 706,000

Single keyword 2
#8 out of 1,110,000

Single keyword 3
#3 out of 303,000

single keyword 4
#6 out of 500,000

Single keyword 5
#20 out of 2,140,000

Main single keyword
#87 out of 12,400,000 (but hoping to improve this update)


 9:55 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

What's my rank for my main keyword? Who knows! I haven't been indexed yet! :)

So, here goes:
Current Rank: #317,001
Number of Results: 317,000 ;)

I'm am VERY patiently waiting for this update! I have a brand spanking new site and have implemented as much as I could of Brett's 26 step plan. Should be interesting to see where I end up!



 10:28 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)


I'm am VERY patiently waiting for this update! I have a brand spanking new site and have implemented as much as I could of Brett's 26 step plan. Should be interesting to see where I end up!

that Brett dude isnt to clever you know :)

I mean who told him to start coming up #1 on Google for terms such as "Google IPO" and "google has deleted my site", and #2 for terms such as "European Search Engines"



 10:30 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Okay... I want to play.
I'm #1 for a term that has 3,780,000 competitors.
I'm willing to sticky proof


 10:33 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Proof is in the "Bank Statements" as far as I am concerned.

in my opinion, NO comptition/battle should be taking place, We are all webmasterworld members, and kick ASS across the serps.

different keyphrases will bring out different results, some targeted by SEOs, some by Spammers.

as long as you are getting what you deserve from your hard work, then you have won the 1st battle.



 10:38 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)


Well said. Before I discovered webmasterworld 6 months ago, my site was not in the top 500. I'm now #4. But, the higher I climb, the harder it gets. Geez, one of the top three sites is the US Govt. site for the category with a PR8! Those guys are no cheats. They are the big guns offline and online. It ain't easy, but #1 here I come!


 10:40 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

#1 out of 2,330,000
#3 out of 3,800,000

And they are both 'bling' $ :)


 10:46 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

My most competitive #1 is out of 1,550,000.

I have lots of other top 5 in the 500,000-1,500,000 range :)

Hoping for big things this update, got lots of new sites this time around to watch for (legit sites, not spam!) I've made a few informational sites, directory type sites, etc...


 10:50 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

the 1 thing no1 has mentioned is the actual "description" listed in the serps for your chosen "keyword"

eg: if you are selling Dirty Shoes, you do not want a description which says:

"do not buy dirty shoes...dirty shoes smell...and our shoes are not even dirty"

quite often a badly shown description/snippet will quite easily be beaten by a relevant description/snippet which may be 2-3 listings further down.

you would be amazed at the amount pf people who NEVER even look at their description, and just gloat about their position (I should know, as I was 1 of them, with a description which said "Bookmark Us" and nothing else)



 10:54 pm on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Gambling, eh?

I look for the minor competitive. - You big boys are annoyed? - All the glory for you :-).

'm satisfied with #1 or #2 for less competitive but s e l l i n g keywords / phrases. Out of some 5 or max. 10 k.

Ok, maybe i'm lowly.

But i've founded a grounding to expand. Happy so far.


 12:39 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

widged tinting...

Results 1 - 10 of about 50,800.

position #1


 1:04 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

My highest single word ranking I am aware of is

#16 out of 601,000 but

most two or more word phrases with that word in them are mine.


 1:14 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, I'll play:

Results 1 - 10 of about 4,850,000. Search took 0.09 seconds

Results 1 - 10 of about 3,250,000. Search took 0.05 seconds

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,400,000. Search took 0.06 seconds.

But I mainly opt for most converting terms rather than the short ones. By the way - those three are all ultra competitive.



 1:29 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm in. I'm like the last person to finish the marathon long after the crowd has gone home and there is noone left to clap as they cross the finish line....

#59 out of 503,000
#47 out of 376,000

I am posting this to make you all feel better about your placement and to help you remember what it was like when you were just starting out. This will be my first true indexing. I've only had a brief #6 (freshbot-induced) ranking and I enjoyed every minute of it.

Now if you will all wish me luck for this update and hope for me that I crawl ever so slightly upward I would be most grateful. Either that, or give me your very best word of Google SEO advice--that would work, too.

The best of luck to all of you. Cheers!


 1:54 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

This seems to be a good way waste some time before the update. The question is how useful is to be #1 for these terms. In my case I get about 80% of traffic from search engines and the results pay my mortgage and food for my family and the over 300 people that make money from me.

What I really want is #1 for some major term for example "art" or "internet" which are terms which have over 90 million competitors and lots of searches. Strangely I looked into the term "widgets" which is actually a cool term (albeit useless for my field). It would be pretty easy to get #1 for it and then everytime someone says the word widgets on webmaster world you could mention that you have the #1 site. I imagine it would be a great ice breaker. :)


 2:47 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'll bite just for kicks. Off the top of my head, the highest rank I have for a highly competitive term is position 6 among 2,690,000. It is more an exception than the rule as most of the terms we target do not yield nearly that many results.


 2:47 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see Rick Schwartz the "Domain King" has the domain. I bet that gets a few type ins.


 3:01 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)


My point precisely for starting this thread. My #4 ranking for my category keyword (in 2.5m results), has given my site huge credibility.

My competitors all have deep pockets and are the recognized brands in the industry. In fact the #6 site in this category is a $3 billion company! The fact that a small fry like me can rub shoulders with them, gives me enormous brand recognition at almost zero cost.

As my site moves up, my visitors increase and so does my conversion rate. As I climb, so does my sales. At a higher ranking, people have more confidence that you are a serious player.

I also market offline. Because of my strong ranking, I now get distributor enquiries from all over the world. Distributors will search for your category keyword first and drill down the top sites looking for brands to distribute. The higher you rank, the more respect you get. Distributors are actually sending me marketing plans, proposing how they intend to market my brand in South Africa, Australia, etc.

The point is, I don't have the money to build a global brand. So, I focus on being #1 not only in "blue widgets" or "pretty widgets" but in the single keyword "widgets". Ranking high and even getting to #1 in your category keyword should be the aspiration of us all. It is THE way to play with the sharks without being eaten alive.

If anyone is interested, I can sticky you my URL so you can check out my site. I would certainly welcome your constructive comments.


 3:31 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

"If anyone is interested, I can sticky you my URL so you can check out my site. I would certainly welcome your constructive comments."

Actually, maybe we should sticky YOU our URLs for your constructive comments! I, for one, am open for any and all constructive critcism!


 3:39 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

#29 out of 13,400,000.....but I wouldn't want to be number 1 for it...it would bring lots of unrelated traffic and eat up bandwidth that I'd prefer to use for potential buyers....for a while I was coming up number 99 for sex photo and I am the furthest thing possible from an adult site...but happened to have opposite-sex twins...and photo on the same page....what a waste of traffic that was until I fixed it to say opposite-gender twins....lol

I'm just happy with being #1 for all my relevant multiple keywords :)...the ones that make me money..:)


 3:59 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

beat this.
rank #1 for site name.


 4:18 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm at #3 (out of 4.14 million pages) for my first name - all I need is Javascript to go out of fashion and I'll have a shot at #1 :-)


 4:20 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>beat this.
>rank #1 for site name.

For the term site name? or for the name of your site?

Most of my sites are number one for the name of the site.


 5:28 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Single Keyword, #4 (sorry shak, I will try to do better):
Results 1 - 100 of about 40,400,000. Search took 0.20 seconds.


 5:32 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Geez...thanks Brett....Ok I fold...Brett wins....(and I thought I was winning).


 5:34 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Actually...I see you at #6 out of 41MM


 5:44 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm seein' #6 of about 41,500,000 if its the search I think it is.

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