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How many PR4 Backlinks are needed to get PR4 status?

 2:46 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

How many PR4 Backlinks are needed to get PR4 status?

Right now I'm at a PR3 but I think I could be a PR6 if everyone would sack up and cooperate with my demands.



 3:05 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Possibly as few as one if you are a high PR3 now. And, if you are going to make demands then I'd suggest you aspire for better than that. I already have a PR6 site. Now, unless I get a PR9 as I insist, things are gonna get very ugly. ;)


 3:13 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm still whining about my drop from PR4 to PR3 after the last update. The site is not very old but I achieved a PR4 almost immediately so when I dropped to PR3 it was quite a shock. I added a bunch of content and backlinks before this last crawl so I'm biting my fingernails waiting for the new dance. (hurry hurry!)


 3:20 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

i think they rescaled it or something, my 7 dropped to a 6 as well another site i frequent, dropped from 7 to 6 last update.


 3:28 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

My 2 sites drop from PR5 to PR4. No change in backlinks or contents at all for months.

So they just change their algo to reduce the weight on PR pass from each page I think.


 3:35 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I read that a lot of other sites had the PR dropped too so I didn't feel too bad. But the worst part was when I went to check my backlinks and found that there weren't any! Give me a heart attack why don'tcha! I was going crazy trying to find the cause until a kind soul pointed out to me that Google doesn't report backlinks for PR3 and under sites. Whew!


 3:42 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

It was such a thrill to have the homepage of one of my sites go to PR7. Each time I looked at that page that nice green bar just gave me a lovely lift. Now it's gone back to PR6. :(

I'm wondering what it would take to get it back again or if the algo has changes such that it's impossible.



 3:58 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

So do I only need one link coming from a PR4 site to get a PR4 status?

Can't we just all contribute 5 or 10 bucks to Googleguy and buy the algo? That would make everyone here a lot happier wouldn't it, plus we'd all be playing by the rules so google would be fine too!


 4:00 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oh Lordy, I think I would crap my drawers if I saw a PR7 on my home page. The highest I have made so far is PR5 but I sold that site a while back. It's a whole lot easier this time around because I know a little bit more about SEO so I'm hoping this site will move up soon.


 4:04 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

bokesch, there are several factors to consider for how many links you need to gain a specific PR:

- # of links on the page you are being linked from (more links splits the page's vote)

- PR of the webpage with the link

- plus a dampening affect - so even if you are the only link on a webpage with PR 4 this will not give your webpage a PR4 due to this dampening... (some have said this is somewhere between 5-7)

- canuck


 4:29 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)


It took 6 1/2 years to get that PR7. And now it's gone, gone, gone!

Actually placement on serps is about the same so I'm not being logical about this. People here say to quit focusing on PR but more green in that little box just feels so good.


 4:46 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm still whining about my drop from PR4 to PR3 after the last update. The site is not very old but I achieved a PR4 almost immediately so when I dropped to PR3 it was quite a shock. I added a bunch of content and backlinks before this last crawl so I'm biting my fingernails waiting for the new dance. (hurry hurry!)

Samething happened to me, my PR4 (now high PR3) site was actually one page (and subdomain), but I think there will be a few more inbound links this update, plusif i'm lucky it goole will have indexed the entire 600+ pages I added since the last update, i've also got my root which is a medium PR3 which i have got substancial new inbound links for google to see... And a lot more ligned up fro the next update too... Oh and around 60 new pages for it to index :D


 4:50 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

annej - I can see why you achieved a PR7. You have excellent content! Here's hoping you get your PR back soon. :)


 4:56 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)


Could you explain to me the dampening factor...i'm not framiliar with it.



 5:21 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm expecting a major PR drop for one site. Just launched in January, it jumped from PR5 to PR7 in the most recent update. It took some digging to discover why ... someone had mentioned it on a PR8 "New & Noteworthy" page on a UK university site. Easy come, easy go!


 5:25 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>explain to me the dampening factor...

The dampening factor is something like when you see meat in the butcher counter at the market. You can see a steak that's 1 pound, but it'll have a figure for "tare" which is an allowance for the weight of the packaging.

That "tare" (like the dampening factor) is figured into calculating the gross weight of the package and the net weight of the meat inside it.

Total actual weight of it all - minus the "tare," the allowance reflecting the weight of the packaging materials - equals the actual real weight of the meat inside the package you're buying.

Forget the steak, figure it's pork roast instead, sliced into portions. So much weight for the whole roast before cooking, and again, the weight loss from shrinkage during cooking is equivalent to the "tare" just like the damping factor works. It reflects a percentage of reduction in weight, so that the final "cooked" net weight is less than the weight was before cooking.

Divide by the number of portions it's sliced into, and calculating that weight loss during cooking time into the final figure, the weight of the portions it's divided into after the deduction for loss represents a bit less weight each portion would have been prior to cooking.

If it's cut into four portions each one will have more weight than if it were cut into eight portions. Total weight before cooking - less loss from shrinkage during cooking = final net weight, divided by number of portions - equals the final net weight of each portion at serving time.

Same thing as with web page, PR, damping factor and dividing up by number of outbound links on the page.


 7:24 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am a vegetarian! Hard time imagining all the cutting and roasting..


 7:28 am on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

As I'm sure has been noted on here, the ODP dropped to a PR9.....making nearly all the other cats drop a point. I had some other issues with my site and dropped back down to a PR5, but I'm sure the ODP didn't help any. Did lots of work though, and I'm hopin' to hit at least a PR6 by the next update if not this one. Best of luck to all....and let's hope the ODP gets back up there:)

<added humor> I am a level 4 Vegan.....I don't eat anything that casts a shadow </added humor>


 7:44 pm on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I find it hard to understand how getting to PR4 could be a problem.

If you're serious, you should go to PR4+ the first time your site is indexed.

A dozen reasonable links would take you straight to PR5.

If your site is half decent, it should be no trouble to get a few links.

I had a low PR6 with my very sparse site, 6 weeks after it was launched.


 8:01 pm on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)


Your site may have been a low PR7 before and has just dropped back to a high PR6. I seem to remember that googleguy said something after the last update about PR dropping across the board ("only a cerain amount of PR to go around" - or something similar). I could be mis-remembering, tho'.

In any case, I agree with Pyewacket, you've got some really good content.



 9:15 pm on Apr 5, 2003 (gmt 0)


A great explanation of the PR algo and a link to the original paper is here:


The dampening factor corresponds to the "PR source" or random jump factor. In the "random surfer" model, this corresponds to the number of times a hypothetical random surfer will not click on the link to your site, but will instead jump to a random page. This is made up for by the fact that your page itself is a PR source, as provided by the same factor.

The number of links you need for a given PR depends on the number of links on each page, as discussed above. Your easiest way to get PR4 is just get one link from a PR5 page with a reasonable number of links, that by itself should do it. If all you can get is PR4 links, try to get them on pages with few other links. Good luck.


 4:23 am on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Funny thing for me was that I had 2 PR7 sites drop to a PR6 yet they both had an increase in the SERPS. My guess is the algorithmic/PR shift was global and affected everyone else too.


 4:41 am on Apr 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Geez, thanks for the kind words on my site. I'd forgotton I had it in my profile.

The loss in PR was more than just the dampening effect tho. I lost about 100 backlinks that show wiht the Google bar and who knows how many more that were too low PR to show. When I do the search on alltheweb I find that Google is only showing about 1/5 of my external backlinks. I think this had something to do with a new algo that discounted some of the really ancient incoming links.


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