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New update: All interior pages PR0
carlr

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Msg#: 10301 posted 11:45 pm on Mar 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi there,

In the new update, my home page kept its PR4 but all interior pages got PR0 even if thew were PR3-4 before the update. All pages are still in the index but PR0.

In case it's a penality, can Google penalize interior pages without touching the home page? Maybe i should wait to see what happens in next update?

Anybody has experienced that before?

Thanks

 

korkus2000

WebmasterWorld Senior Member korkus2000 us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 10301 posted 11:48 pm on Mar 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Did you add more links from your homepage? This can happen if you add a lot more content pages and there just isn't enough PR to go around. Yes google can penalize pages and not the entire site. Are you using techniques on these pages that would raise concern?

o0_cops_0o



 
Msg#: 10301 posted 11:59 pm on Mar 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I would like to know why my pages that i have just created and uploaded have a pr of 3? there not even indexed because i just uploaded them..how do you explain that?

carlr

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Msg#: 10301 posted 12:00 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi there,

Well yes i have done some stupid stuff before (duplicate content with another domain) this was before i discovered this forum and got more informed. I tried to clean up everything before the new update, which i thought would happen at the end on the month :-)... I removed the bad stuff and started a very good collection of links but i was too late for Googlebot.

Well it is probably a penality..

Any suggestions? E.g.: building new pages with new filenames etc

TWhalen

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Msg#: 10301 posted 12:11 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)


I've seen too many instances of interior PR 0 pages around here to believe that its some kind of penalty.

Don't worry about it. I'd only consider it a penalty if your whole site got a PR 0.

carlr

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Msg#: 10301 posted 12:19 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the positive note!

I really need this - all SERP's have dramatically gone down because of this (Most were on 1st page of results before) and this already has an effect on sales. My boss is not happy and i hope it's not because of a penality.

Maybe i'll try to put up new interior pages to see if it can do something, because if it stays like this for 1-2 months i'm toasted.

Any other tip will be welcome

tsdpsg

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Msg#: 10301 posted 4:02 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

o0_cops_0o, when you add and upload new pages to your website, Google Toolbar estimates the PR of the new page. It's only an estimate and is usually one rank underneath your home page. For example, if your home page is a PR4 and you upload page.html, then page.html will show a PR3. This will last until the toolbar gets updated again and a real PR will be assigned for that page.

tsdpsg

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Msg#: 10301 posted 4:12 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

carlr, if all your interior pages were PR3-4 and just dropped to PR0, then I'd say you need to be concerned. How many pages were dropped to PR0?
Make sure you cleaned everything up that would be considered against Google's TOS. Continue to make valuable content pages and get relevant reciprocol links pointing back to your site.
If it is a penalty, the next deep crawl will hopefully see that you've cleaned it up and give you your PR back.

carlr

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Msg#: 10301 posted 4:15 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi - thanks for the tip

Well all of the interior pages dropped to PR0. However, i just added a new page and renamed an existing page (which has PR0) and the 2 pages show a PR3!

Do you think i should rename all pages of my website?

tsdpsg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 10301 posted 4:42 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

carlr, new pages or renaming a page is not actually giving you your PR back. Read my previous post in this thread. New pages on a website are given an estimated PR value automatically. The new page is not indexed, it's just the toolbar givng an estimation of what the pagerank will be on the next update. After the next update, your new pages will be assigned their "real" pagerank.

kryton

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Msg#: 10301 posted 5:57 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

caryl, I wouldn't worry and I wouldn't go around changing your filenames. Google may not like that and could maybe think you have duplicate content? Last update I had a site front page PR4, and all interior pages PR0. This update they are all PR5. Wait until the next update, and then worry.

Kimkia

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Msg#: 10301 posted 8:32 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

So it's not unusual to have front page and inside pages with the same PR? I don't recall seeing that before, but it's what's happening to a site that I work on - the front page dropped to PR5 from PR6 (I think, although I keep hoping the update isn't quite over yet).

Anyway, the front page at PR5 now matches the most important inside pages, which are all steadily showing PR5.

Is this not as strange as I think it is?

carlr

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 10301 posted 2:48 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well i guess the best is to create new pages with new content (no duplication) and see how the next update will react to all this.

I just hope it does not stay like this too long...

rogerd

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Msg#: 10301 posted 3:08 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

it's not unusual to have front page and inside pages with the same PR?

Most commonly, there is a PR drop since home pages often attract the most links, and, in turn, distribute their PR to interior pages. However, sometimes popular interior pages have external linkage. Also, keep in mind that the toolbar isn't precise - differences in real PR of up to a point could end up showing as the same integer toolbar value.

cyberprosper

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Msg#: 10301 posted 3:17 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

This happened to my site... first page pr dropped from 6 to 5 ... all other pages dropped to zero. (thousands of pages) This, I think, was part of their execution of previously expired domains. So, yes, it is a penalty.

Oh, the front page is buried very, very deep in the search results. So, I don't think it really has the PR the toolbar says it does, but that is just my opinion.

carlr

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 10301 posted 4:02 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Cyberprosper

Have you thought of any solution for your website? That's terrible on SERP's

aroach

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Msg#: 10301 posted 4:07 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

My main page has dropped from PR6 to PR5 but all the rest of the pages have retained their PR5 and PR4 no matter how deep they are in the site.

I don't think I care since almost no one ever enters my site on the main page. I just wonder how Google knew this.

carlr

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 10301 posted 11:14 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

The website just appeared in Google's Directory. It shows a PR4.

My question is: Is this a "real" PR?

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