victor
msg:35834 | 7:51 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Basically, you've described the situation perfectly. DMOZ produces RDFs -- dumps of all its data -- and RDF users such as Google copy/edit them to create/update their directories. This is a separate process to Google re-indexing all the sites it has crawled. DMOZ had a bad few months and produced no useable RDFs between 2002-09 and 2003-02. They now have working RDFs but Google has not yet used one. I believe they are on record as saying they will "soon".
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daamsie
msg:35835 | 7:53 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
The RDF has been used in the 'description' for results.. it is not just a case of it having spidered DMOZ - my site now includes the category in the google directory that my site should be in, however when one clicks on that category - it is the same directory (same on -sj and -ex also). The question Athlon is asking (and I'm wondering too!) is when the directory will be updated as they are clearly using the new RDF dump?
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rfgdxm1
msg:35836 | 8:01 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I must say that as an ODP editor I am also bummed out. So far, Google just has ignored all my efforts. C'mon, update the Google directory.
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Marcia
msg:35837 | 8:03 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
daamsie, I'm seeing the same thing you are - directory description and link to the Google directory, but site not showing up there yet. We just have to give it time, the update just started.
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daamsie
msg:35838 | 8:04 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Happy with that Marcia -- I can't believe how impatient one gets around these times ;)
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GoogleGuy
msg:35839 | 8:05 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I believe that we *did* get a newish RDF dump of the Open Directory. With any luck it should become more visible over the next few days. If I'm wrong, I will make squawking chicken noises on this forum.
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steveb
msg:35840 | 8:07 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Hey GG, check the other thread before bed. The analysis one.
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daamsie
msg:35841 | 8:08 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Thanks GG, I can certainly see that something has been added.. while on the topic of the directory - does the listing the google directory have an effect on PageRank or will it just be ignored like most other ODP dumps? thanks..
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rfgdxm1
msg:35842 | 8:10 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
>If I'm wrong, I will make squawking chicken noises on this forum. GoogleGuy quote: "cheap, cheap". This has potential. ;)
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AthlonInside
msg:35843 | 12:29 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Oh, my DMOZ desciption is too long for google! haha. But glad to see it there, at least the make my listing longer!
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richmc
msg:35844 | 12:35 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
i'm seeing sites i have had listed in DMOZ with cats/descriptions in the www2 SERPs. checking on the google web directory there is obviously no RDF update on there yet. however doesn't it make sense that there is probably another server which contains the new minty fresh Google Web Directory and is used by the new index to build its SERPs? At some stage during the update this will be transferred to directory.google.com. i did try www2.directory.google.com but nothing there ;)
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daamsie
msg:35845 | 12:38 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
directory-sj.google.com and directory-ex.google.com don't have any new results yet either.. I don't know of any other servers.
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richmc
msg:35846 | 12:50 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
maybe there's a reeeeeeally secret one :)
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RFranzen
msg:35847 | 2:35 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Maybe directory.google.com (DGC) is about to synch-up to 2003! A search in the just-updated classic Google shows ODP categories for some results which don't yst show up at DGC. I.e., Google itself is using a recent RDF from dmoz.org, but DGC is not yet doing so. For example, a search of "some keyword" found a site whose results includes a link to Home/some_cat/ . I created that category about 8 weeks ago. As of this minute, clicking the category link cause DGC to display a "cat doesn't exist" error page. Nor is the category visible when navigating DGC itself. By the time you read this, it might be there. :) -- Rich [edited by: heini at 2:38 pm (utc) on Mar. 7, 2003]
[edit reason] sorry, no specifics and urls / thanks [/edit]
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OntheEdge
msg:35848 | 2:39 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I'm waitiong for my new edits to appear too, not yet though. I see them show up at www2 as links, but the directory is still same ol stuff.
I'm guessing the directory is low priority. Lets hope they do it soon!
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netnerd
msg:35849 | 12:43 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0) |
When i take a look at www3 for my site, and check out the 'links to' section i see quite a lot of new links, including ones from the google directory. However, when i actually check the directory listing for this heading i find that my site isnt there. Does anyone know if goolge uses new directory listing before they are actually put onto the web, or is something else happening here. Also, when should these www3 results go to www?
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Shak
msg:35850 | 12:47 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0) |
directory is not fully updated yet. patience is required, and all should be sorted in next few days. Shak
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heini
msg:35851 | 12:48 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Netnerd, a lot of people have observed this. The directory listings, as shown on the new index, should be available at Google directory shortly.
In any case you now know Google did in fact include them.
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netnerd
msg:35852 | 12:53 pm on Mar 8, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Yeah heini - thats what im thinking too.
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daamsie
msg:35853 | 12:35 am on Mar 9, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I am wondering whether google is waiting on the directory update to move the new search index to www also.. I can only imagine that they would want the new directory to be live first, because otherwise there will be an awful lot of links on google that don't make sense.. There seems to be a little delay in getting the results on www - maybe this is why?
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ga_ga
msg:35854 | 12:44 am on Mar 9, 2003 (gmt 0) |
What is [dir.google.com...]
also
[dir.google.com...]
.. follwed by /Top/etc/etc as normal.
anything significant, or just something that's been around for a while & I've not noticed?
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foy
msg:35855 | 1:15 am on Mar 9, 2003 (gmt 0) |
| If I'm wrong, I will make squawking chicken noises on this forum. |
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Forums are audible? Uhh, well I NEVER KNEW THAT!
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GoogleGuy
msg:35856 | 2:17 am on Mar 9, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Isn't that what these audblogs are? Hee hee.. GoogleGuy, hoping he doesn't have to do a chicken imitation.. :)
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rfgdxm1
msg:35857 | 2:24 am on Mar 9, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Still no directory update that I can see. GG, you seem to be most fowl. ;)
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daamsie
msg:35858 | 2:41 am on Mar 9, 2003 (gmt 0) |
| http://dir.google.com/alpha/ |
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interesting one gaga.. I didn't know about those pages at least - still the old directory though, minus any order by google rankings.
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daamsie
msg:35859 | 1:55 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Well.. I think a 'few' days have gone by now .. I would suggest GG, perhaps an audio recording with a link to that ;) I would be most interested in what kind of chook noises you would be capable of?
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HackingLawyer
msg:35860 | 3:03 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0) |
When the directory is updated, will the positon of the websites change, that is the ranking within the directory? I've seen absolutely no change.
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gefilte
msg:35861 | 5:03 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Unfortuneately the RDF dumped all over the floor and GG is now scratching like a chicken to sort through the data. It's such a mess they can't even find the red button and this could cause a slight delay with the next update. This was all caused by factional infighting at DMOZ where the People's Front of ODP is clashing with the ODP People's Front, whereas the Popular People's Front is starting up a blog.
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AthlonInside
msg:35862 | 5:18 am on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0) |
We hope other directory who use DMOZ will update their database as well!
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