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UPDATE! Google Feb/March 2003 - The Boston Update!
Official - Confirmed - Real - Name: Boston

 3:38 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)




 7:53 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not an enormous change... but then of course, it didn't need it.

In my sectors there have been one or two minor adjustments in the returns, which despite a neutral outcome for me, in fairness probably enhance the quality slightly. I think a 'well done' is due for that.

So certainly quality wise, no problems and probably improvement. The dilemma they probably face is time... how to keep the index as fresh as possible without any impact on that quality. That's a hard one of course.

Overall then, a thumbs up from here, even without any personal gain.


 7:54 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)


<Can someone please explain to me now that I have the backlinks in the index (one of them to a SPOT 1, PAGE 1, 1 WORD keyword site).. how come I am having worse search results for my pages on www2 and www3 , when supposedly that is what is suppose to give you credibility around here.>

Of course we can only speculate without having lots of details for both pre- and post-update, but one thing to keep in mind with your ranking after an update is that you're not the only webmaster obtaining backlinks; you're competitors are probably trying to promote their sites as well, and they simply may have made certain changes to their sites to increase their ranking.

Other possibilities are changes that you've made to your own site. While PR is somewhat important to your ranking, it's not the only factor. There are other things that effect you ranking, like your content, or your competitor's content.


 7:59 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

for those new to the update, make sure you read this [webmasterworld.com] it will answer a lot of the questions being asked in this thread.

enjoy the update :o)



 8:00 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Good Luck every body.


 8:01 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Nick,

I appreciate the reply ... but that's just it.. obviously
if my site is new and I am already attracting 200 REPEAT visitors (not counting new visitors) per day.. I must have some sort of Good content right? I thought that was pretty good for a site that has been in and out of the index for most of the past month.

Anyway, I take it.. that the www shoe will be dropping soon and no hope for my pages staying put?


 8:16 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have noticed the new index on the main www server for over an hour...and links to yahoo are all the same standing at 692k. Could we see an early settle of the update? I have never seen results on www this fast.



 8:24 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just saw updated results in www.google.com just now. Good, as in this update I am up in the SERPs. ;)


 8:27 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, things are looking good for me also. A couple new sites have struck gold. Now, are we going to see a second update this month?


 8:28 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am not sure I have ever seen the new index stable on www for so long, this early in the update. Hopefully things will settle quickly.


 8:36 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I climbed a little bit but not as much as I was hoping. Can't complain though as my goal is longevity and maintaining what I have already achieved.


Besides, when you reach the top 3, you become a big target for all your competitors who will do anything underhanded to take you out. By staying in the #4 to #7 range (me) for 5 different keywords, I am less of a target.

Getting into the top 3 unfailingly means:

1. Your competitors will see spam where there isn't any. Nevertheless, 50 spam reports will be sent to Google who will undoubtably scrutinize you more.

2. Your competitor will just flat out copy your site ad infinitum in hopes of penalizing you.

3. Negative innuendos about your business will appear on your competitors sites.

4. Expect your email address to be the one that is used to register at 500 ffa pages. Consequence = 300 emails a day.

5. Your site will receive 900 links from guestbooks that your competitor signed you up for.

6. Your competitor will trash you in the chat rooms relevant to your field.

I am comfortable $$ in the #4-7 ranking range and nobody is shooting at me.


I also rank top #3 for minor kws my competitors don't know or don't care about and it helps to fly in under their radar.

Longevity and slow, solid growth is my goal and that is what I am getting. If it were anything else, I would be nervous.


 8:38 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

i see it 692,000 link:www.yahoo.com

my isp was having a denial of service attack - i saw the google bot was on my site at 3:12am using this ip address, and

then it looks like my site went down, will this hurt me?

<snip> - I'll demand like 6 months free if it does hurt me - or do you think it's already over and done with?

[edited by: Marcia at 8:47 am (utc) on Mar. 7, 2003]


 8:39 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes it has started!

My site is showing newer cached pages and showing up much higher in www2 and www3. This is from India!

Made In Sheffield

 8:40 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Missed it again, 3am when it started here (UK).

Next time.......

No PR increase but ranking's gone up, hit number one for another phrase and got from 6 to 3 for a major one. Went from 541 to 289 for the main phrase I'm going for (it's a big one).


Hope everyone has good results,



 8:43 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

whoa - michaelangelo back up on www.google.com

is this what you all mean by dancing?

james gulliver

 8:45 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

has anybosy seen changes in the uk?


 8:46 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Zapatista, I really wouldn't like to be in your industry - doesn't sound very friendly at all!

I know for sure it's not like this in my niche-field.

I mean, submitting your email so a competitor gets more spam?! That's just mean. Do you know for sure this is actually happening?

Anyone else in an industry that's this aggressively competitive?


 8:46 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

In my category, there is basically one mega keyword. In the few months I have been around this site I have been able to take my site from virtual oblivion, for this keyword, to #4 amongst 2,500,000 results. This is huge global branding! You would not believe the big names I now out-rank.

Thanks to all for giving us small fry the opportunity to sWebmasterWorldith the sharks and not be eaten alive.


 8:54 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have to echo zapatista sentiments.

Being #1 2 or 3 in very competitive serps can cause problems from jealous snipers.

On a positive note, great update thus far :) I have moved up a few notches on quite a few kw terms.


 8:55 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)


<Anyway, I take it.. that the www shoe will be dropping soon and no hope for my pages staying put?>

I don't know if we can accurately predict what's going to happen on www until it actually happens.


 8:59 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

my page rank went from 4 to 3?

i made improvements?

are things still being adjusted

i saw link:www.yahoo.com was back to 642,000


 8:59 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi everybody,
I got my site listed in google in Three days and it's placed on the keywords which i needed and it's in www.
Maybe it's temporal but may be it is not...


 9:02 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

My PR also dropped from 6 to 5. Backlinks from 480 to 80 (internals), and I expected it to double :) No crisis at all but a little unexpecting, at least the new pages will show up in search... I hope.


 9:04 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

james gulliver For some reason we seem to be last in seeing any dance, but my sites are moving up! Great to see GG staying up to the wee small hours,shows he cares.


 9:05 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)


i'm back to 4

although i wanted at least a 5 - i guess we're still dancing

it's out of our hands now.


 9:11 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Anyone Noticed that Fresh Dates are showing in www3/ aswell - but not in www.

Disproves the theory that the Update cant happen when Freshbots about?

Alec Doggone

 9:13 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you're not seeing the changes at www3 in the UK, go to www2.google.com and do it there. Works for me.


 9:13 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

new shoes, it happens and I read about it a lot here on WebmasterWorld.

85 percent of all webmasters are overgrown immature children. Pessimistic but true I think. Greed makes them ugly. A self inflated ego and getting beaten in the serps makes them ugly. Jealousy makes them ugly.

Hard work and worrying about one's own site requires too much. It's too demanding for those with a low frustration tolerance. (LFT)

It is always easier to destroy than it is to build.

It's an ugly world and nobody lives in Happy Valley anymore. The internet may have brought the world closer together but it also revealed how ugly we really are.


 9:22 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Changes have been occuring briefly this morning in UK


 9:23 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Okay, this time I really am heading to bed.. see you later. :)


 9:24 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

My first update watch, and so far getting number 1 postion on my keywordson www3 & www2, when does this go over to the UK versions 24 hours?


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