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dommmm




msg:704143
 8:20 am on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi there

I'm relativley new to SEO issues & have been learning as I go over the past 6 months, so sorry if I ask any dumb questions in what follows....

I've been trying to get a site submited with no success for over 5 months now - my logs show no traffic is coming from any SE :(

It is a flash site - yes I knowthat flash isn't SE frindly, but I was kinda hoping that the HTML home page would at least get a listing as I have a keyword in my URL & page content has been optimized as best I can - still no joy yet - can anyone confirm that I am indeed wasting my time by just trying to submit one page?

I'm in the process of building a HTML version so when that's done I'll be submiting those pages - can anyone confirm that this is a good strategy?

I have another question - a mate told me that certain serach engines will not index your HTML page if it does not have at least 100 words of text on it - is this true? if so which SEs does this apply to?

Thanx in advance

 

Sinner_G




msg:704144
 9:53 am on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi

The basic stuff first: do you have meta information in your html page? Like description, keywords and the like?

Next point would be what kind of site you have, as many search engines don't accept some sites, like sex, terrorist and/or political extremism and so on.

In my experience, 5 months is long enough a time for search engines and directories to index a site, so there is probably a reason yours isn't on there. But then you say you don't get traffic from SEs, did you ever try searching for your site yourself? If you can find your site but get no traffic, it is time to check your description/keywords.

As for your question regarding pages with les than 100 words of text, I have a website with an entry page which only redirects the user to a popup window. It is indexed with altavista, lycos and google at least. I have never heard of such a restriction with any SE.

dommmm




msg:704145
 10:09 am on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Do you have meta information in your html page? Like description, keywords and the like?

Yeah it's all in place & I have used various online keyword density analizers & spider simulators to check what is going on - there seems to be no problems in this dept

I have tried searching for the site - found a couple of links but no direct search result for the site

the site is commercial, non transactional, bathroom retail promotion site.

Sinner_G




msg:704146
 10:23 am on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I have tried searching for the site - found a couple of links but no direct search result for the site

I would suggest to try and contact the SE admins directly to ask them why they did not index your site. If you are lucky, you might get an answer.

dommmm




msg:704147
 1:40 pm on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

have tried, several times to contact the google guys - no reply so far - I'm not hold my breath for a reply to be honest - I get the impression they rarely do in these cases....

So...I'm stumped......anybody else got an opnion out there?

Knowles




msg:704148
 1:46 pm on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Do you have any inbound links? The SEs have to have a way to find you.

By submitting your URL it does not garuntee that you will be spidered. The best way to get spidered is to have inbound links.

Sinner_G




msg:704149
 1:58 pm on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

>By submitting your URL it does not garuntee that you will be spidered.

Wait a second, I thought that was just the point of submitting your URL??? That you were certain that the SEs spider would at least go to your homepage in the next couple of months?

My impression was that having inbound links can get you indexed if you are lucky, the main use being improvement your PR.

dommmm




msg:704150
 1:58 pm on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I only know of one confirmed link - which actually comes up in the first 10 results when you search by the keyword URL of the site.

This is rather frustrating as the search for the URL reveals nothing (eg site:..etc...).

Other links have been promised by suppliers & are slowly appearing - this is slowly happening as a reciprocal links campaign is under way.

Knowles




msg:704151
 2:04 pm on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

If I understand correctly from reading the google portion of the board if you submit it it is takes longer to get indexed. Where as if you get a inbound link from someone who is already indexed it will follow that link on its own. I had a sight I submitted and 6 months later I was still not index no visits anything. I got an inbound link due to an article being written and I was indexed on the next update. So from what I have read and my own experinces its better to receive an inbound link. If you only submit the URL you have to wait for someone to feed it to the spider.

hiddenYi




msg:704152
 3:04 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

This might be a bit off topic and i think i saw this thread somewhere else, but i can't seem to find it again...well, my question is does submitting to the free submits on google, lycos, altavista, alltheweb and bcentral help or hurt rankings. basically, i will submit 4 or 5 URLs from each of the sites i promote every month. does this monthly submission do anything or am i making things worse. thanks.

sadierae




msg:704153
 3:23 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Is there a robot.txt file? If there is, make sure it allows the robots to spider the site and index it.

JayC




msg:704154
 4:09 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Wait a second, I thought that was just the point of submitting your URL??? That you were certain that the SEs spider would at least go to your homepage in the next couple of months?

My impression was that having inbound links can get you indexed if you are lucky, the main use being improvement your PR.

In fact, Google says themselves that they won't list a site unless there are links to it from other sites in their database. So you certainly need at least one.

Submitting your URL is no guarantee that you'll be listed, and actually some argue that it's not even worth the time or effort: build a few links and let them find you.

And if dommmm's site has just one incoming link, that might be the problem. Some things to look at: what's the PR of the linking page? Which of your pages does it link to (especially worth thinking about since it's a Flash site).

Really the solution to dommmm's listing problem is probably just to develop more links.

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