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to use frames or not x SE spiders

 5:43 pm on Jun 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

do you think it is a good idea to make a site with frames if i want to get a good pagerank. Does engine spiders go via frames, or stops here? I have one site in google, and it indexed only html page with frames and then it stoped...thanks for your replyies. Pavel



 5:59 pm on Jun 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I really don't think frames are a good idea. If you have a choice and can get it out of frames then that would be your best bet.

Try using the site search in the menu at the top and see what you can find. Frames have been discussed a million times around here.


 6:20 pm on Jun 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Agreeing with jatar_k, while some people like frames, the general opinion is to stay away from them.

>have one site in google, and it indexed only html page with frames and then it stoped...

I once had that happen. If the site has to be kept in frames, or if it'll take a while to change it, make sure there's a <noframes> section with text and links to other pages on the site.

I just checked, and with a site that has since been taken out of the frames, I had put the noframes with links on, plus links from the interior pages to each other, and all the site pages are indexed.

A big problem with framed sites is that when an individual page is clicked on it'll open outside of the frameset, so there needs to be alternate navigation on the pages themselves, preferably text links.


 6:36 pm on Jun 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

sorry vanekpavel,

my answer was much less helpful than it should have been.

Even if you do manage to get spiders to index every page you have to be sure that every page has a method or menu available to navigate the site. I often find pages in SERP's that take me to what looks like an orphan page. No navigation and no way (except manually chopping the url) for me to go to another page on the site. I always leave.

When a user comes in the front door of your site frames have a few things to recommend them but on the whole they are a lot more trouble than they are worth. I would remove them even if it takes a while. God knows I've done it quite a few times and it can be very time consuming but once you're done I have always found good traffic increases from SE's and users.


 11:14 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

My personal experience is that I dont need frames
any more.

Using Server-Side Scripting (and e.g. tables) you
can get the same result. And robots can actually
cope with that.

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