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Keyword smeerword - can't even get a listing in an FFA!
Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 2:21 am on Nov 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

Ok, maybe the FFA is a bit of overboard, but I used Robert Woodhead's site to submit my URL to 27 of the listed sites. I have also entered my site into all the big names. This has been done about a month and two month ago.

The only place I found my site is (drum roll) AltaVista (and even that is an "old" page).

So - now what? It is completely irrelevant what keywords I used if for some reason the site doesn't get listed.

I checked my site with various tools and although here and there a bit lengthy, it still ok. Only two pages needs submitted, and my site is not an adult, gambling or illegal activy site (maybe I should change that).

Any suggestion is more than welcome.

 

Marcia

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Msg#: 285 posted 4:17 am on Nov 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

Tapolyai, I didn't check, but have you submitted to Open Directory Project [dmoz.org]? While it's OK to submit, Google likes to find sites through a link from a site/page that's already in their index. ODP is the best place of all, critically important. Just read the guidelines for submitting. Or arrange for a link from another site.

With AV, any automated submission can't work because you have to enter the code by hand and submit 5 URLs with each entry of the code. Limiting to 5 pages per day from a given site is the safe way to go.

Two down that resist regular submission, only a few more to go. Submit to Excite, Direct Hit, Northern Light and Wisenut, at least the main page to FAST (and they are fast) and just for good measure, submit to Lycos. Stick with 5 pages per day with Lycos - they'll be by within a matter of a couple of hours. They do almost instant spidering, although they do use FAST's data.

I'd stay away from FFAs, but if you're referring to your profile site, you might want to hunt down some specialized legitimate directories to list the site with. It couldn't hurt to try for a free Yahoo submission -it's the holiday season, you might run into some generosity.

It does not take that long to do hand submissions. It does take a while to get indexed some places, but once you're in, you'll receive regular visits, with only an occasional need to give a nudge with resubmitting, especially when you add new content or pages.

I think that's all the important ones. Inktomi is a different story, but AOL and MSN use their data. Try the free submit at HotBot; not likely it will do much good, but it only takes a few minutes. If you're targeting MSN & AOL and there aren't many directory listings for your chosen phrases, you might do a page or two paid Inktomi before the prices go up on the 28th.

HTH

Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 4:53 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks Marcia.
I have submitted it to ODP, and have seen them visiting the site. I just can't find any reference about my site on their site.

I have submitted to all the SEs you mentioned manually, and I have not done any FFAs because, as you suggested, legit ones are not easy to come by.

I will resubmit to these again manually and see if it works around the holidays...

Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 12:17 am on Nov 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

I submitted at DMOZ and next day I had the following in my log:

[dmoz.org...]

But nothing within the directory yet.

Marcia

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Msg#: 285 posted 4:00 am on Nov 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Tapolyai, I certainly hope your ODP submission is accepted, but if it isn't by some chance you might want to check into whether having password protection on the site is a factor with acceptance. I don't know - it will take someone who knows addressing that issue. But a while back I read that with Yahoo submissions, the editor needs to be temporarily provided with a password.

If there is any problem, it might take creating more content on the site. Just speculating, it will take someone who knows to give anything definitive.

Here's hoping, keep us posted.

msgraph

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Msg#: 285 posted 1:02 pm on Nov 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just wait it out a little longer Tapolyai. it has happened to me a few times in the past. The sites were not listed until a week or two after I saw the editors visit.

There are a few factors into why this may have happened:

- Password-restricted areas like Marcia stated

- The editor could have been short on time so he/she just glanced at your site but will look into it more at another time.

- The editor could have found that this site didn't match the category you submitted it to, so he/she moved it to another category. Then you have to wait for the other category's editor to review it.

- There could be some issue with your site and the editor has asked other editors to give their opinion before accepting/declining it.

- .....the worst case scenario: The editor didn't like your site and just tossed it away. It happens.

Wait a few weeks and if you don't see anything then resubmit it again. If you resubmit anytime soon you might tick off the editor.

I hope one day they will run a responder program that tells you if you have been accepted or declined. Would save a lot of wasted time and useless re-submissions.

paynt



 
Msg#: 285 posted 3:19 pm on Nov 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Tapolyai,

msgraph has given you some great advice which could be helpful to anyone in your situation as well.

For more specific information please see your sticky which can be found in red at the top of the page.

Kit

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 285 posted 1:33 am on Dec 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

Check your site is lited on Google by the "site:" command

ie. in the search box type site:www.damainname.com keyword

Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 5:02 pm on May 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

To follow-up on this, I am still not in DMOZ/ODP...

I have tried various grousp, different editors, wrote messages, etc.

Not once have I received a reply back, explaining why is my site not listed.

Any suggestions? Obviously I cannot "buy" my way into DMOZ (or can I?)...

mona

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Msg#: 285 posted 6:11 pm on May 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Tapolyai, I see that you must log in with a password to see (what I'm guessing is) the majority of your site. Did you provide a password for the editor when you submitted it?

I am an editor, and I won't add a site if I'm not allowed to review it all. I'm pretty sure that's true of most if not all editors.


Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 12:48 pm on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

No I have not. I did not see this requirement anywhere in the rules of submission, but I can arrange for it. How long will the password/username need to be active?

mona

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Msg#: 285 posted 3:06 pm on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I did not see this requirement anywhere in the rules of submission..

You're right, it is not listed as a requirement and I think it should be.

>How long will the password/username need to be active?

Unfortunatley, there is no definite answer. It just depends on how long it takes for an editor to review your site -days, weeks?

One thing I would recommend. After you write your description for your site, add a note to the editor. Tell them that you have submitted before, but werent' aware that you needed to give them a password, but you are doing so this time. Then add it at the end of this note.

Good luck!

Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 6:42 pm on May 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have added my site with the recommended user/pass for the editor.

Nothing yet...

Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 3:58 pm on May 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I asked on a web site that is run by metas and editalls.

They said there is 170 sites waiting in that category, and they had no better or alternative suggestion for categories, except a regional one...

A legal question -

Is DMOZ one of the two de-facto WWW search resources (Google being the other one)?
If someone is not included in one these two, are they harmed?
If they are harmed, and the two de-facto WWW search resources' guidelines clearly allow the site in, are they liable?

NOTE: I am not looking for a quick buck on a lawsuit, just discussing theoricial possibilities.

volatilegx

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Msg#: 285 posted 3:42 pm on May 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I doubt that they would be liable. Search engines and directories have the right to editorially exclude any website from their databases.

BTW, have you tried getting yourself listed in Googles' categories? This is separate from their SE index and sometimes sites that can't get listed in their index can get listed in the categories.

There are some other directories you CAN buy your way into, if you're so inclined. These include LookSmart and Yahoo. You could also purchase SE "real estate" on Overture. I personally believe getting listed on these sites will help rankings on non-paid engines.

Tapolyai

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Msg#: 285 posted 1:49 am on Jun 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

Still nothing in DMOZ. Am I cursed or no-one is ever going to be able get my site in?

Marcia

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Msg#: 285 posted 2:07 am on Jun 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

Tapolyai, you're in Google with PR3 and ranking for what seems to be your main keyword phrase at #18.

If I were you I'd go through the ODP categories and find some quality related sites to get links from to get the PR up.

You're also #10 for that phrase at alltheweb.com It looks to be optimization that's needed, not submission; you're already in.

Marcia

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Msg#: 285 posted 3:16 am on Jun 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

Last November is way out of date by now.

NFFC has given us the up-to-date list for submissions here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

jodpur

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 285 posted 10:29 pm on Jul 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

No you cannot buy your way into DMOZ. I have been blacklisted for the mere mention of blasphemy. Of course, my angle was spawn out of absolute frustration with DMOZ editors and their "regulations".

No, you cannot buy your way into DMOZ. And I highly recommend you don't try.

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