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country: eu.. what benefits?
PsychoTekk




msg:683258
 12:25 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

when i ran a query for some ip at the RIPE db, i found this:
inetnum: 194.235.0.0 - 194.235.255.255
netname: EU-GLOBALONE-SOUTH-961222
descr: Provider Local Registry
descr: Global One
country: EU
...

what benefits come along with being located in
the european union rather than a specific country of the eu?
i thought the .eu tld was not yet established?
(i didn't find valuable info at iana/icann or ripe,
nor have i ever seen the .eu tld in action)
and how come the eu is classified as country?
europa.eu.int for example is located in luxembourg
wouldn't the .eu tld be a generic tld?

 

brotherhood of LAN




msg:683259
 12:44 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Not really sure to most of it ;)

>>what benefits come along with being located in
the european union rather than a specific country of the eu?

Both the same thing

>>why is it not a country

is .com ?

I think its just for diversity, and snapping up new names ;) no doubt there are some companies within the European Union that would do themselves no harm with a .eu TLD, while others would say (like you say....(why .eu???)

If it becomes flavour of the month in Europe, well.......ill see you there with one :)

PsychoTekk




msg:683260
 1:24 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

thanks brotherhood :)
i also found an article on the ccTLD/gTLD decision:
The .eu domain shall be introduced as country code TLD,
even though strictly speaking the EU is not a country and thus
not on the ISO 3166-1 list

[icannchannel.org...]

brotherhood of LAN




msg:683261
 2:16 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Psycho, are you in Europe? :)

Particularly in some areas of Europe, there are entities that are all for a European Union. Some people may want to believe that the EU is comparable to the US (or maybe one day).

I can see all sorts of reasons for having a .eu, not really all political, more to do with relations within the EU, depending on your site etc yes? :)

I mean, the european charts (.eu) would be a nice start to the .eu era, in a cultural sense :)

To be honest, I dont anyone really knows the political/social boundaries etc when it comes to Europe! .eu sounds like a good idea though

PsychoTekk




msg:683262
 3:16 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

yup, I'm from Germany.
in regard to the fact that more and more eu-wide laws are introduced
and the european countries in general grow together
i think it's a good idea to have a .eu domain, espacially
for the multinational companies and the governmental institutions.

i don't think one can compare the eu and the us, it's two totally
different histories and all... and i think first of all the political and uneconomical aims and attitudes define how alike countries are
(okay i admit, the desire to be an important economical power is probably
the one thing that unifies us all ;))

however, i'm lookin forward for the next years to bring new possibilities :)
to come back to the topic: an .eu domain sounds interesting to me, too

heini




msg:683263
 3:36 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

eu is intended to be an open for all european citizens TLD. Would have made more sense if it would be preserved for european institutions, IMO.

Generally I think TLDs were better off with indicating languages, not countries. Nationalities are not the main discriminating factor on the www, languages are.

De facto standard on the web is: com, net, org, info, biz are unspecific, all nationalities and languages, the rest tighing sites to places and often languages.

EU - it has some rather negative connotations for many people...
Nevertheless any additional open for all TLD is a nice thing.

vitaplease




msg:683264
 8:04 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know where these .eu tld's will be registered? In each respective European country?

I am just thinking of Google's national search engines delivering only e.g. German sites to searchers who choose that option. What will they see with .eu tld's of amongst others German sites?

heini




msg:683265
 8:36 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Vitaplease, AFAIK the registering modus has not been regulated. With the plan to make it an open for all TLD it should be available through many registrars.
How the verification of EU-citizenship will be handled, I have no idea.

>Google.de
Even in the third, most restrictive search option, "Seiten aus Deutschland" (Sites from Germany), as opposed to "Seiten auf Deutsch" (German (=language) sites), Google returns .net, .info etc sites.

vitaplease




msg:683266
 8:43 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks Heini,

In analogy to the .info and .net sites you mentioned, I guess the .eu will eventually have to be registered in Germany to qualify for the third most restrictive listing you mentioned within Google search?

heini




msg:683267
 9:14 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

>registered in Germany
That's assuming Google uses WHOIS info, which I believe they do in, erm special cases only...
No, I think it's IP related.

littleman




msg:683268
 9:27 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

From a business standpoint I could see how .eu could be a benefit. It conceptually broadens the scope of business availability.

Someone from France may skip X.co.uk,or X.de but may click on X.eu.

heini




msg:683269
 9:37 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Littleman, why should somebody from France do that?
Assuming this french person is looking for a B2B site, thus preferring an EU site, skipping country TLDs would leave him with a very small subset of available sites. He'd almost for sure would miss out on the best sites. Not to mention the fact, that many many european biz sites operate under a .com.

NFFC




msg:683270
 10:20 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

If faced with the choice I'd click .eu after my country domain:

1, .co.uk
2, .eu
3, .fr
4, .de

etc

heini




msg:683271
 11:54 pm on May 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

>If faced with the choice I'd click

.de (if local availability is important for any reason)
.com, org, net, info, (anything that indicates general avalability, not restricted to language or locality)
.the rest: country TLDs, .eu,

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