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.tv domains?
anyone heard of this

 11:30 am on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

There is new competition on the block in my industry and the domain is www.keyword-keyword.tv. I've never seen this before ... anyone else?

This is almost a duplicate site of a .net domain which has been around a while and is owned by the same people. The original site never did very well. I think they are cloaking on the new domain 'cause I can't see their keywords when I use a keyword tool.

They are getting great results on Google. However, when I type in their www.URL to see which category they are listed in in the Google directory, it says "your search did not match any documents". BUT, when you go to Yahoo and search www.URL their domain IS listed in the Google Directory.

I am very confused. Help?



 1:56 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi Liane,

Yes, i have seen them, i have a reciprocal link from one www.blahblah.tv, it is not a regional as far as i am aware, i think it is a lower level domain extension, how pervasive the ext is i am not really sure, could be somewhat similar to .biz and .info

from what you are saying, it is google pages that are turning up in the yahoo directory not google directory listings, maybe, if it is google directory listings, then check at the odp, as they have to be listed their to be listed in googles, odp version.

hopefully that is helpful


 2:40 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi Caine,

Thanks for the answer. Yep ... their listed in ODP directory (under a different name) and so is their other site which is nearly identical. I'd like to know how they managed that little trick!? I guess the editor musn't have noticed.

Its pretty frustrating that they have two nearly identical sites in the ODP ... when I haven't been able to get my sites reviewed since they were completely overhauled and have 100% different content and deal with entirely different subjects in the past year!!!

Oh well, we'll see if Google or any of the others pick up the duplication. They didn't even bother to change the page design! After the 4th request in the past year ... I've given up sending review requests to the ODP. (Yes, I've gone up the ladder ... still nothing).


 5:35 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

One of my clients owns a .tv version of their regular domain name, and they use it for streaming audio/video. Several television shows and networks also own .tv domains (it seems like a natural).

These extensions usually cost MORE than a .com, .net or .org. A US company paid the small Pacific island nation of Tuvalu $50 million to register domain names for the extension, which was originally generated for their use. An alphabetic windfall for the island.


 5:54 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Same thing happened with Moldova

But I think that they took it back.


 5:58 pm on Dec 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

That's interesting tedster ... but these folks are using a whole different domain name than their .net site so its not an extension. To me, it seems like a simple case of mirror or "almost" mirror sites. The original site is abc.net and the .tv site is xyz.tv ... different company names in the title too, but the two sites are nearly identical.


 1:32 am on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

By "extension" I think tedster was referring to the ".tv" domain extension itself.


 8:47 pm on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

The company that owns the rights to .tv only "rented" it for 10 years if I remeber right. At some point that lease will expire and there may be some very unhappy .tv domain holders.


 9:38 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

> These extensions usually cost MORE than a .com, .net or .org

And quite often substantially more. We were offered ourcompanyname.tv priced at $1000 a year, while I picked up a more obscure one for $49. It's basically an auction and they'll cost whatever the market will stand.

click watcher

 10:16 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

>>>>> These extensions usually cost MORE than a .com, .net or .org

yes i agree, a while back i looked into the names, several really good generic words were available and they have a standard low price, funny thing though was that all the domains i requested were marked down as premium names "price on application" - doubtless negotiable but the quotes were extraordinarily high.

plus thats an annual fee, not a pay for the name first time then the regular $10 for renewals, plus there is no security because they have total control so the price could increase year on year (subject to any private deal made of course) plus as mentioned by skibum, they only have the rights for a few years, could be like blackmail after that if you've got a good name and a well linked site.

please note this is entirely my own opinion and not endorsed by WebmasterWorld in any way


 10:37 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

> the price could increase year on year

Hehe, the $1000 domain mysteriously rose to $2000 after I'd expressed a tentative interest in it. Problem is that (in the UK at least) there are several brokers for these domains, and they can charge whatever mark-up they want regardless of the official cost...


 10:19 am on Jan 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

VeriSign have just bought out the rights to _sell_ .tv domains from TV Corp International. For $45 mil. Not sure what this will mean for the punter... but I imagine that the 10 year lease will have been extended.


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