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.eu EURid Landrush II - June 7th 2006
Here we go again...
OptiRex




msg:680957
 1:53 pm on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

The world's longest url?

click here [eurid.eu]

[Yep, the URL is just a tad long, I shortened it down a wee bit - Woz]

[edited by: Woz at 1:49 am (utc) on May 26, 2006]
[edit reason] Fixed Scrollism [/edit]

 

freewebsiteideas




msg:680958
 9:20 pm on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why do some extensions like this get so much attention even when they cost so much? Why not just get a free .info domain name?

jmccormac




msg:680959
 9:35 pm on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why do some extensions like this get so much attention even when they cost so much? Why not just get a free .info domain name?
Because .eu is a geographically relevant gTLD unlike .info. Though from recent work, .eu is more of a squatter and speculator's paradise than a serious gTLD like .com gTLD.

Regards...jmcc

pageoneresults




msg:680960
 10:00 pm on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

The world's longest url?

That is soooo tacky!

23 words, 22 hyphens. Absolute genius. :)

Why not just get a free .info domain name?

That TLD is poisoned. ;)

jmccormac




msg:680961
 11:05 pm on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why not just get a free .info domain name?

That TLD is poisoned. ;)

Well it is actually a more relevant domain than .biz in Europe. Howver value and credibility wise, the .info domain is a backwater. There is a very strong risk that .eu will end up another backwater domain like .biz or .info. The huge Landrush 1 spurt of registrations is tailing off now. It still has a novelty factor but that missing business core is really hitting its credibility.

Regards...jmcc

OptiRex




msg:680962
 6:58 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

The list of all the domain names that will be released on this date will be published on EURid website 2 weeks in advance, on May 24.

I've looked all over the Eurid site for this, has anyone found it?

Of course they have a holiday today!

jmccormac




msg:680963
 8:42 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seems they've reversed their original position:
[eurid.eu...]

Now they will not be publishing the list.

Regards...jmcc

httpwebwitch




msg:680964
 9:22 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm disappointed that they removed this page [eurid.eu].

What kind of insane CMS are they using that creates URLs like that? I'm mortified and... impressed.

rohitj




msg:680965
 9:41 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

off topic but some domain extensions have really taken off since their conception. For example, .us actually is home to some really respectable companies--some of which have been acquired by fortune 500s (think del.ico.us)...

jmccormac




msg:680966
 9:50 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

some domain extensions have really taken off since their conception.
Yeah but they are often well run tlds run by people who know what they are doing. From the start, it was quite evident that the people in Eurid were more suited to running small ccTLDs than a gTLD.

From looking at the 1.3 Million .eu domains identified here, it looks like a hell of a lot of speculation and warehousing has been going on.

Regards...jmcc

vincevincevince




msg:680967
 1:28 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

is a very strong risk that .eu will end up another backwater domain like .biz or .info

Just remember industry interests. 100% of the big industry players have based their core portfolio upon .com, 90% (or more) of major companies have based their online presence on .com and .com remains the de facto TLD of choice for business and enterprise.

If .co.uk cannot displace .com in its own back-yard, what hope is there for .eu - which has neither the long-established track record of .co.uk nor the attraction of having a national domain name.

Don't forget SEO demands that you are displayed in the index of your core country with Google. Great, let's get a .eu domain because that will help us with all the millions of searchers using google.eu. Let's give up the chance to have our own country, give up the chance to have a .com to pick .eu.

The only companies or individuals using .eu will be:
- Those people with a sense of belief or trust in the European Union who wish to display this publically despite the high risk of upsetting many potential customers in europe (I had previously argued for .eur or .europe - .eu basically refers to the European Union political movement, not europe itself)
- New companies with no preexisting rights to their name with which they can dispute whoever has their name .com or .cc tld, and whom do not mind their name existing for another site in the .com etc. space
- Sites with names ending in .eu who want a new-fangled domain after deli.cio.us
- Squatters and others who believe that a company will buy the .eu from them instead of disupting it
- Companies who obtain the domain name to avoid the hassle of a squatter registering it and having to go through the dispute process. Note this is not true use of the domain name as it is just redirected or may not even resolve.

carstanje




msg:680968
 7:21 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think .eu is just a money-making business for the one who started it. Big european companies can't afford there .eu domainname to be 'stolen' by others so they have to register it.

I don't see the advantage of yet another TLD except the fact that if yourname.com is allready taken you could register yourname.eu instead.

gpmgroup




msg:680969
 11:36 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

A Panelist ruled Traffic Web Holding Benelux trademark Barc&elona is not acceptable on 18 May 2006

[managingip.com...]

The panellist ruled that the acceptance of Traffic's application did not accord with Article 11 of the Regulation establishing .eu, which says that special characters should be eliminated entirely, replaced with hyphens or, if possible, rewritten.

If this were applied to all names registered with a Benelux part1&part2 trademark this could free up thousands of extra names.

OptiRex




msg:680970
 1:09 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now they will not be publishing the list.

I saw that page however naively assumed that working at Brussels speed and them having Ascension Day holidays etc that they may just have been behind with ther "promises" or I had just missed it!

Has anyone found any name they wanted released now?

carstanje




msg:680971
 1:16 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I assume you can register any domainname of wich the WHOIS database tells you the former/current application has expired or rejected. You can find it out by doing a whois search and enter the image code for the details.
Whois link: [www2.whois.eu ]

sonny




msg:680972
 1:42 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ha!
Look at the number of apps for sex.eu
281

jmccormac




msg:680973
 5:27 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

If this were applied to all names registered with a Benelux part1&part2 trademark this could free up thousands of extra names.
If the Eurid smurfs had any honour, then the ruling could be applied to many of these dubious registrations since it is evidence of a pattern of bad faith registrations. (Bad pun. :) ) Many of the Sunrise registrations were granted to such iffy trademark holders. And as for the landrush registrations, the amount of sheer warehousing and squatting is staggering. Some warehousing operations are showing up with as many as 40K or more .eu registered.

Regards...jmcc

OptiRex




msg:680974
 1:29 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some warehousing operations are showing up with as many as 40K or more .eu registered.

From where do you get this info or are you just going by the names for sale on various sites?

Some of the names I want seem to be squatted yet I can't find them for sale anywhere.

vincevincevince




msg:680975
 2:21 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

There were those 'registrars' created just for the EU launch that were found out later and action was never taken against as well. They should have lost all the domains again, not been granted a refund, and them, their directors, shareholders, and customers should have been barred from ever registering .eu again.

jmccormac




msg:680976
 4:54 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some warehousing operations are showing up with as many as 40K or more .eu registered.

From where do you get this info or are you just going by the names for sale on various sites?

Some of the names I want seem to be squatted yet I can't find them for sale anywhere.

I've used cryptographic techniques to rebuild as much of the .eu zone as possible. At the latest count, 1315752 .eu domains have been confirmed. Adding in the domains from Sedo and Afternic would probably bump that figure up to around 1.5 Million.

There is a very clearly defined characteristic for some of the bogus registrars - they do not assign nameservers to the .eu domains they are squatting. The way to check the domain exists, in this case, is to use Eurid's whois or domain availability server (DAS). Effectively Eurid is collaborating with the bogus registrars and is part of the problem.

Regards...jmcc

jmccormac




msg:680977
 5:01 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

There were those 'registrars' created just for the EU launch that were found out later and action was never taken against as well. They should have lost all the domains again, not been granted a refund, and them, their directors, shareholders, and customers should have been barred from ever registering .eu again.
Ideally that should happen. But unfortunately, Eurid is run by a bunch of smurfs who seem to think that they've done no wrong. I'd go a bit further than that. I'd have .eu redelegated and the people in Eurid stripped of responsibility for the .eu gTLD for facilitating the fraud. The "just following orders" defence that Eurid has been using when questioned does not cut it with many hosters and domain owners in Europe who've seen their .eu domain squatted by these bogus registrars.

Though Eurid seems to have been made to accept the magnitude of the problem it facilitated. There is now a fast track procedure that can be used to dispute a registration where there is clear evidence that the registrant's data was bogus or the registrant was not entitled to register the domain.

Regards...jmcc

carstanje




msg:680978
 5:19 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

When talking about statistics, you'll have to see:

  • EurId statistics [status.eurid.eu]
  • Extension Monitor (dutch) [extensiemonitor.nl]
  • OptiRex




    msg:680979
     6:09 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

    Extension Monitor (dutch)

    If I am reading this correctly then:

    For .COM 50.518.771 names 685 registrars which is about 73750 per registrar

    and

    For .EU 1.822.683 names 1566 registrars which is about 1163 per registrar

    Meaning there are 881 more registrars for .EU than .COM in total

    Incredible!

    Would many of the .EU registrars be in The Netherlands?

    .NL 1.924.767 names 2026 registrars which is about 950 per registrar

    1,341 more .NL registrars than .COM?

    Tell me I am reading these figures correctly.

    jmccormac




    msg:680980
     7:07 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

    For .EU 1.822.683 names 1566 registrars which is about 1163 per registrar

    Meaning there are 881 more registrars for .EU than .COM in total

    Yes. it would seem that Eurid's incompetence in not having any real, verifiable standards for registrars means that this flaw has been well and truy exploited.

    The problem with the domains:registrars figure is that it is a linear (number of domains/ number of registrars) figure. Reality is never that perfect. Unless the other ccTLD registries publish domains:registrars figures, the only rule of thumb that works in a mature market is that 80% of the market is held by 20% of the registrars.

    Eurid's figures are untrustworthy because they are not open to proper examination. And it would probably not be in Eurid's interests to publish the domains:registrars figure because it would provide evidence of how the system was exploited by these bogus registrars.

    Regards...jmcc

    sunnylyon




    msg:680981
     11:50 am on May 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

    well as we're all so community spirited around here, how about sharing our million dollar baby domain name suggestions in the del.icio.us mold?

    being vulgar, the only thing I could think of straight up was

    f***.eu

    but the e spoils it a bit,

    mili.eu

    works a little better, so has no doubt been taken...

    OptiRex




    msg:680982
     1:44 pm on May 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

    This is still available:

    ohhhh.eu

    jmccormac




    msg:680983
     6:25 am on Jun 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

    So did anyone bother with Landrush 2? Though it seems that Eurid didn't do anything about the bogus registrars problem with the obvious consequences.

    Regards...jmcc

    wmuser




    msg:680984
     5:12 pm on Jun 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

    .EU takes too much attention,the same as .BIZ .INFO and others and who is now discussing them?
    Almost no one

    jmccormac




    msg:680985
     2:03 am on Jun 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

    .EU takes too much attention,the same as .BIZ .INFO and others and who is now discussing them?
    Almost no one
    Well this forum has been a bit on the dead side recently. But there is life outside of the US. It is being discussed on some domainer bbses as well. There was some interest in the Landrush 2 but as everyone expected the corrupt registrars scheme meant that EU citizens got ripped off once again thanks to the incompetents in Eurid. Pool is holding an auction of domains they snagged during LR2 even though this seems to be against the rules.

    Regards...jmcc

    wmuser




    msg:680986
     6:22 pm on Jun 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

    Good points jmccormac

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