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Previous owner wants domain back
Hunter




msg:696835
 5:20 am on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hey guys and gals,

What would you do in this situation.

Backstory: I bought an expired .com domain because it is a catchy name (one syllable misspelling of a popular word). I was soon contacted by a company that owns the .net and .org and they explained that they had let it expire by mistake and that they wanted to buy it back. I offered to sell it for $500.00 and they wrote back with the following:

We don't look to highly on capitalist. So we are going to offer you $75 for OUR domain back. anything more is extortion in our eyes. And to put it mildly we will not tolerate it. As much as dot com is a part of our marketing strategy.we can not afforded to pay out $500 as a small company. We will move on to our next plan. This is not a negotiation. writing back telling me you want $100 or $200 will not be accepted ether. $75 is our buy out price.If I don't here from you with in 10 days of this e-mail........We are no longer interested in Dot Com
Thank You for your time

How would you guys handle this? I don't really expect anyone else to offer $500.00, but this guy is totally "low balling" me.

 

Marshall




msg:696836
 5:37 am on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hunter,

My opinion - don't respond. If the .com extension is that important to them, they'll get back in touch with you. Besides, how do you let a domain expire by mistake?!

msr986




msg:696837
 7:01 am on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

I agree with Marshall. If they want this .com, they will have to come to you. Let's see them buy it somewhere else!

>So we are going to offer you $75 for OUR domain back

It's not THEIR domain any more. THEY let the domain expire.

>writing back telling me you want $100 or $200 will not be accepted ether

Maybe you sould write them back and ask for $750.

click watcher




msg:696838
 8:09 am on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

they contacted you ... therefore they want it.

how about activating the domain, and selling or even just putting banners/links from their competitors on the page...

i expect this would help them to realise the value of the domain to them.

i agree with marshall, don't even bother replying to a message like that, have patience they'll be back.

angiolo




msg:696839
 8:55 am on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

>one syllable misspelling of a popular word>

I would mind them ONLY if they adopted that mispelled word in their marketing campaign and they can prove it: maybe they have that name somewhere in an advertisement layout. In this case they can have some rights. (think about famous brands joking with names, like Swatch or models of car)

If they used that mispelled dominion only to catch net- visitors you will not have legal trouble. Sell it at the price you consider fine.

jk3210




msg:696840
 9:38 am on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

<<How would you guys handle this?>>

(cut and paste this)

"In an attempt to point you in the general direction of reality from where you are presently located, I want to explain something to you. What YOU did by allowing your FORMER domain name to expire is basically the equivalant of allowing your home to be sold on the courthouse steps for non-payment of taxes. Your FORMER domain name is GONE.

Coincidently, I have one for sale.

The price is now $750, and your next email better have a much improved tone to it."

stavs




msg:696841
 10:10 am on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

It must be worth more than $75 to you, Hunter, or you wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

I wouldn't give it up out of principle, don't let the guy think he can play hardball with you.

> We will move on to our next plan. This is not a negotiation.

Yeah right!

When negotiating it is imperative to make the other person believe that you have other options, and that the product is not really that important to you... BUT, to actually come right out and literally say it shows a extremely shallow understanding of the fundamentals of negotiation, and the basic rudiments of dealing with people. His suggestions could so easily have been subtly inferred.

> If I don't here from you with in 10 days of this e-mail........We are no longer interested

Again, total bluntness. Does he think he is offering you a once in a lifetime opportunity? His gambit is weak and totally lacking in thought.

There is no place for this guy in the world of business - he is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot :)

rcjordan




msg:696842
 12:49 pm on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

What jk3210 said. Tell them in the next reply the price is $1000. You're not likely to get these guys to come to the table anyway... might as well have some fun jerking them around.

wolfy




msg:696843
 12:59 pm on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

I like click_watcher idea:

<how about activating the domain, and selling or even just putting banners/links from their competitors on the page...

i expect this would help them to realise the value of the domain to them.>

I think rights are all in your hands, you can sell the domain at the price you want, if they're really interested they'll offer you more than 500$

grnidone




msg:696844
 10:23 pm on Sep 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

Unless they have a trademark for

'whatever.com',

there really is nothing they can do other than write nasty letters or pay your price.

-G

Hunter




msg:696845
 8:04 pm on Sep 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks all for the interesting comments...they do not have a trademark on the name (I'm sure they would have threatened me with that if they did). All they seem to have is a bad attitude coupled with a desire for the domain. I only wish that I were playing poker with them in Vegas.

Marcia




msg:696846
 8:27 pm on Sep 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hunter, how about putting the domain name up on a server with a "This domain will be Available" page, including no price, along with contact information.

satanclaus




msg:696847
 9:03 pm on Sep 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hunter I'd make them pay more for jerk tax on that one. Don't let'em strong arm you, you're in the position of power here.

Hunter




msg:696848
 3:46 am on Sep 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

satanclaus, I could not agree more. Some people don't realize that low bids or "low balling" sellers on anything can have ugly side effects. There is nothing wrong with bidding low as long as there is some reference to reality and real value. Bluffs and ridiculous bids can have adverse effects on the seller and even cause them to refuse to do business with you. Hence, the buyer never gets what he/she wanted in the first place.

JonB




msg:696849
 5:14 am on Sep 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

are you sure company contacted you?maybe some guy contacted you who bought this mispelled domain for the same reason like probably you did and thats why he doesnt have money to pay.But he is making you belive they are company maybe to "scare" you.

Check whois on .org and .net to see who owns thesedomains.

Jon

jatar_k




msg:696850
 7:20 am on Sep 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hunter, take em for a ride, they deserve it.

TallTroll




msg:696851
 2:20 pm on Sep 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

They let a .com name (that should have been an integral part of their marketing strategy) EXPIRE by MISTAKE?!?

And then they THREATEN you over it?????

Who do these guys think they are?

If the name genuinely is a vital part of their marketing, and they have the faintest notion of business sense, they will pay pretty much whatever you ask. If not...well, they've already had the name once, and then let it lapse. This is a serious error, and they must expect to pay a penalty for it

As far as I understand the law in this area, if you aren't infringing trademark or anything, as several others have pointed out, its yours now. Do with it as you will. And given the remarkable tone they have taken with you, frankly they deserve whatever you decide to hit them with.

jay




msg:696852
 4:43 pm on Sep 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

A UDRP claim costs $1000 to $1500 or more and a straight lawsuit will likely be much more expensive than that.

People let their good (and often great) names expire accidentally all the time.

I hate when people write nasty letters and emails rather than picking up the phone and being civilized about things...

mayor




msg:696853
 8:07 pm on Sep 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hey, Hunter, take a look at the links pointing at that domain. If there are valuable links like Yahoo, Looksmart, ODP, etc., it may be worth a lot more than $500 bucks.

As for the people that lost it, I sympathize, but it's not their domain if they let it expire.

Beagle




msg:696854
 1:42 am on Sep 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

It's almost a chore to let your domain expire anymore it seems. We watched our main competitors domain the whole month before it was to expire.. and then watched it expire ... and it never became available. We inquired with newtorksolutions as to why a lookup said the domain was expired but not available to purchase. Their response was that all domains have (I believe 2 weeks)a grace period where they attempt to contact the owner and verify that they do not want to renew.

It's really too bad.. we would've had a monopoly!! :)

JD




msg:696855
 2:01 am on Oct 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

>We don't look to highly on capitalist. What is the guy behind the iron curtain?? I say to bad just hang on to it for the principal.
You must have had plans for the domain. Do it!! Or $1500 this is not a negotiation as they said.

fonzerelli 79




msg:696856
 2:23 pm on Oct 5, 2001 (gmt 0)


Hunter,

Be strong,

Stick two fingers up to them, design a web site advertising adult magazines and adult pictures(perfectly within their rights )

and then ignore them.

There is nothing they can do.

Let them pay for their arrogance.

Peace out homey - webmasters unite

Liane




msg:696857
 4:59 pm on Oct 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'd write back saying you are a capitalist and PROUD of it! I'd also say that as they have taken to calling you names (extortionist) ... that you don't care to deal with them at all and that the name will either be used by yourself (as originally planned) or you will move on to your own *plan B* and sell the domain to their competitors.

dogboy




msg:696858
 8:21 pm on Oct 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

>>Maybe you sould write them
>>back and ask for $750.

heeehheeh... EXACTLY... you have absolutely nothing to worry about with them.

Tell them that their traffic is converting nicely:)

rcjordan




msg:696859
 8:32 pm on Oct 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

>Tell them that their traffic is converting nicely

Heheheh! I like that one.

DaveN




msg:696860
 11:24 am on Oct 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hunter:
Contacted the company and ask if they would let the .net and .org expire has you would like to have the complete set

joshie76




msg:696861
 2:05 pm on Oct 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

$500 is hardly a king's ransome either... muppets.

<aside>I reckon any judge who was of mind to make you hand over the domain would agree that $500 is a (more than) reasonable amount for your troubles (registration/handover/admin/inconvenience/having to read rude poorly constructed letters).</aside>

JD




msg:696862
 7:00 pm on Oct 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hunter please update us on what is happening!!

Hunter




msg:696863
 9:39 pm on Oct 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

JD,

I waited a week or so and then sent them a polite email saying that they would need to make an offer closer to my asking price if they really wanted the domain. They wrote me back saying no thanks. I thought about it for a minute and then realized that I would be wasting my time to give it two mintutes of my time...so I stopped thinking about it :)

JD




msg:696864
 7:06 pm on Oct 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

Life goes on!!

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