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paulanthony




msg:695564
 11:37 am on Mar 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know if I wanted to register a domain in another country to promote the fact that the company operate in that zone, can I duplicate content without getting banned?

for example I currently have

www.exampledomain.com

If I want to appear in the results for google in Ireland I need to have

www.exampledomain.ie -

This assuming that someone clicks the "show results in Ireland" button - which is probably quite common to eradicate american result pages

In addition to this the preferred ISP in Ireland is eircom.net - which has a google search built into it - problem is it shows results from Ireland by default! I think im probably missing out on quite a bit of traffic cause of this. We originally went for a .com address cause we operate in GB too.

Now - question is assuming I start promoting the .ie address how do I get it to appear with the other ie results if there aint no content behind it - for example if I just submit the ie domain to google for inclusion and its a redirect type of domain. Can I therefore duplicate the content to give the spider some food?

Im not sure if theres any way around this - would having a server located in Ireland make google think we are also in Ireland>?

One potential solution I thought of was this...but will it be considered cloaking?

If I check the referrer, and if its google msn etc, redirect the client to my original domain. If someone visits the domain directly then they see things as google does. The content for the bot is NOT manipulated. Not would the content be manipulated for visitors typing the domain directly. The only thing Im doing is detecting if a user comes from a search engine, if so redirect them to the original domain.

 

ritch_b




msg:695565
 9:33 am on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Surely, duplicate content is duplicate content, regardless of how you determine where visitors are coming from and thus serve it out?

You've specified Google as a particular target and I'd suggest possibly dropping a query into that specific forum; the information you'll garner will be pretty relevant across the board, not just to Google.

We do operate in both the UK and Ireland though, with the Irish site physically hosted over the water and featuring different, more area specific, content. In our case, duplicating the content of one site, verbatim, for the other was a non starter, partly because of the potential problems of penalties for duplicate content, but also because the information on the UK site needed revising to make it more relevant to the .IE site.

jmccormac




msg:695566
 7:06 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

In addition to this the preferred ISP in Ireland is eircom.net - which has a google search built into it - problem is it shows results from Ireland by default! I think im probably missing out on quite a bit of traffic cause of this. We originally went for a .com address cause we operate in GB too.
Eircom.net is the biggest ISP in Ireland and it does generate a lot of local search traffic here. There are claims that Yahoo and Microsoft are also significant players but I don't believe this because the figures show Eircom searches way ahead of Y/M searches on a few of my sites.

Now - question is assuming I start promoting the .ie address how do I get it to appear with the other ie results if there aint no content behind it - for example if I just submit the ie domain to google for inclusion and its a redirect type of domain. Can I therefore duplicate the content to give the spider some food?
The simplest is to do a 301 permanent redirect for your .ie website URL to the .com URL. From what I remember, Google's geolocation is based on the .ie cctld extension and Irish IP ranges. (Though the IP aspect can cause problems because U.TV, another Irish ISP hosts all its websites on IP ranges that are designated as GB/UK.)

Im not sure if theres any way around this - would having a server located in Ireland make google think we are also in Ireland?
A server on Irish IP ranges would probably work but is it worth moving everything?

One potential solution I thought of was this...but will it be considered cloaking?
Probably not a good thing - some searchengines frown on this kind of thing and might drop your site from the index for this.

Regards...jmcc

paulanthony




msg:695567
 9:12 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

The simplest is to do a 301 permanent redirect for your .ie website URL to the .com URL. From what I remember, Google's geolocation is based on the .ie cctld extension and Irish IP ranges. (Though the IP aspect can cause problems because U.TV, another Irish ISP hosts all its websites on IP ranges that are designated as GB/UK.)

A 301 permanent redirect would be great - however I'll never appear in the SERPS without content - herein lies the problem. I think Im just going to have to generate some content for the IE domain. and link like crazy to my .com.

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