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What does HAPPEN to our domain if the registrar disappears?
italiandragon




msg:698977
 9:16 pm on Mar 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Somewhere I read this, but I would love to know if it`s true and can apply to all extensions.

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Many reasons can lead to the return of good domain names on the market:

Lack of need or funds
The company that had registered the domain goes out of business.
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webdoctor




msg:698978
 11:58 am on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

The company that had registered the domain goes out of business.

I understand this to mean the company that owns the domain goes out of business, not the registrar.

jtara




msg:698979
 5:16 pm on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's still a good question to ask. Registrars DO go out of business!

Anyone here actually experience this? I know of one case several years ago where a registrar located in Florida (forget the name) went out of business. Registrants were in limbo for months until the mess was sorted out.

I'd be interested in just what happens. I assume ICANN gets involved in some way.

This is a good reason for keeping your DNS with a third party. If the registrar goes out of business, your registration is still safe with the registry, but you are unable to change it. If you were using your registrar's "free" DNS servers, you'd either be in the position of not being able to make DNS changes, or having no DNS at all, and no way to point your domain to a different set of DNS servers.

If you had your DNS with a third party, you could at least make changes to DNS.

If the DNS provider goes out of business, you can just point the domain to a different DNS provider.

Similar reasoning for not hosting your DNS with your web hosting company.

The more you spread the services out among different companies, the less risk you have of being off-line and helpless if somebody goes out of business.

italiandragon




msg:698980
 2:31 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I`m sorry, my English made me understand a wrong meaning.

But yes anyway, my question is still valid.

I have somedomains without DNS, I just registered the names. What do I risk?
Thanks

webdoctor




msg:698981
 6:56 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just registered the names. What do I risk?

If you registered through a mainstream registrar, the risk of them going bankrupt is IMHO essentially nil.

davezan




msg:698982
 9:43 pm on Mar 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you registered through a mainstream registrar, the risk of them going bankrupt is IMHO essentially nil.

But still possible. Jtara actually posed one such case, and a very complex one at that.

One of the funny things about it is it took a registrar based in India to handle a US-based registrar's operations 'til things got sorted out. :D

webdoctor




msg:698983
 9:27 am on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)


If you registered through a mainstream registrar, the risk of them going bankrupt is IMHO essentially nil.

But still possible. Jtara actually posed one such case, and a very complex one at that.

...hence the use of the phrase "essentially nil" :-)

If you were doing due diligence on italiandragon, and assuming s/he uses a major registrar to register domains, would you really rate "registrar goes bust" as a significant business risk? I'm not sure I would.

I've had thought italiandragon is FAR more likely to lose a domain due to a domain name dispute - trademark infringement or even reverse hijack [en.wikipedia.org] - especially after reading what was posted in this thread [webmasterworld.com]

If we're talking about major registrars of the size of Verisign or Godaddy, how many have gone bust?

italiandragon




msg:698984
 11:03 am on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Webdoctor,

first, I`m male :) , second I have many domains worldwide with many registrars, some with GODADDY but some with resellers and there are some in countries where law is a strange word.

It`s quite recognised that ICANN has done some mistakes.

I wonder what happens if something like a big registrars disappears.

In the past I read that people registering thousands of domain with extension .uk.co one morning realised that they lost all their domains and that their domains were not in the UK but in COlombia because they were not .co.uk but .uk.co , a different thing.

Plus, I would not put any security on the fact that GoDADDY or another big would never go in bankrupt.

Have you heard about ENRON? PARMALAT? KMART?

I was a financial advsisor in stock narkets till 2005 and I know that nothing is sure unless it`s written in a contract with clear words.

I don`t know much about Registrars requirements and ICANN policies but I would not trust words without seeing facts.

ICANN has already made a mess lately with other issuess like the .PRO domains, showing they are not perfect.

webdoctor




msg:698985
 12:31 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

first, I`m male :)

"s/he" is just short for "he or she"...

In the past I read that people registering thousands of domain with extension .uk.co one morning realised that they lost all their domains and that their domains were not in the UK but in COlombia because they were not .co.uk but .uk.co , a different thing.

IMHO the people who registered those domains deserved to lose them - just like people registering "UK domains " under .uk.com and .gb.com.

If you want a UK domain, it has to end in .uk - and even the most basic research would reveal that fact.

Perhaps P T Barnum was right [en.wikipedia.org] (even if he didn't actually say those words)

(..)if a big registrar disappears.

If a big enough registrar went in to administration/bankrupcy, it's most likely the customers would be sold off to another registrar.

I've had to use Nominet's Tag change procedure [nominet.org.uk] to recover a domain name that was in limbo went a UK registrar went bust. The customers (and their domains) were in the process of being sold to an alternative registrar with whom I had no wish to do business.

I've used the Nominet procedure to recover a .uk domain from a registrar who refused to deal with me unless I paid a disputed invoice - despite the fact that the invoice was for a hosting package on a different domain, not the .uk domain name in question.

I've dealt directly with Afilias and Tucows to recover a .info domain from a Tucows reseller who I was in dispute with - they refused to release the domain name until I paid up, this is against Tucows reseller T&Cs so after a lot of back-and-forth Tucows released the domain to me behind the reseller's back.

and I know that nothing is sure unless it`s written in a contract with clear words.

My approach to life is that nothing is sure PERIOD.

Life and business are full of uncertainties, but if you want to get on you have to learn to deal with this.

If you're looking for a cast-iron certainty way to hang on to a domain - bad luck, there isn't one.

forex




msg:698986
 1:27 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I purchased web hosting for 6 months but the domain name is registered for 1 year. I'm new to website development. Will the domain name remain registered with me for 1 year even if webhosting expires after 6 months.

italiandragon




msg:698987
 1:44 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

yes, webhosting or not you own the domain till you are ok with the only registration fee when it`s due.

italiandragon




msg:698988
 1:46 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry, but where is the "quote" button when you reply on this forum?

Thanks

webdoctor




msg:698989
 2:28 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry, but where is the "quote" button when you reply on this forum?

Have a look at the style codes [webmasterworld.com]

forex




msg:698990
 2:43 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

yes, webhosting or not you own the domain till you are ok with the only registration fee when it`s due.

When webhosting expires could I purchase from another hosting provider for the same domain name

italiandragon




msg:698991
 3:23 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don`t see why not....I have domain names with no hosting , with no DNS, nothing just the name......some in INDIA, but I can still host them in the USA or in ITALY!
Actually is very good and wise to host them with a different company because of some reasons.

italiandragon




msg:698992
 3:24 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

icq number

italiandragon




msg:698993
 3:26 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

yes thanks webdoctor but was not it better to install another free forum with some options more fast and easy interface to click on it?
Just my opinion.
Thanks anyway :)

forex




msg:698994
 4:39 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have domain names with no hosting , with no DNS, nothing just the name......some in INDIA, but I can still host them in the USA or in ITALY!

Since I'm new to website development need some information. Your domain name is registered in India but hosting is in USA or Italy.
My webhosting provider registered the domain name for my website. Also majority of hosting is from USA so I'm surprised to hear you have registration in India

forex




msg:698995
 4:46 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

yes thanks webdoctor but was not it better to install another free forum with some options more fast and easy interface to click on it?
Just my opinion.

I agree. Also, if the number of users & guests browsing the forum at any given time is visible, that's helpful

ikkyu




msg:698996
 5:00 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)


It's still a good question to ask. Registrars DO go out of business!

Anyone here actually experience this? I know of one case several years ago where a registrar located in Florida (forget the name) went out of business. Registrants were in limbo for months until the mess was sorted out.

I had several domains with a registrar that specialized in the .us when that was made available a couple years back. They came up for renewal, I paid right at the very last minute and thought all was well until I was not able to log in to my account on their system. They went out (or thrown out) of the registrar business and did not renew my domains, but kept my money. I tried calling but the voice mailbox was full, apparently I wasn't the only one getting screwed.

These guys sucked from the beginning and I wasn't about to be shafted, so I did some background checking and found a number and called it. I got in touch with someone and demanded a refund. But a day later I contested the charges to my credit card and eventually got the credit and at least I got the satisfaction that they were probably charged a fee for the contested charges.

I ended up losing several domain names that went into redemption at enom - where all the rest of my domains ended up at. It sucked cause I lost a couple really good keyword filled domains.

pageoneresults




msg:698997
 5:13 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, according to ICANN, there are strict procedures in place if this were to occur.

[icann.org...]

j. Ensure that the registrar's obligations to its customers and to the registry administrator will be fulfilled in the event that the registrar goes out of business, including ensuring that SLD holders will continue to have use of their domain names and that operation of the Internet will not be adversely affected.

Accredited registrars would also be required to keep comprehensive records concerning their dealings with customers, subject to inspection by ICANN, so that in the event a registrar went out of business or lost accreditation these records could be transferred to a successor registrar in as orderly a manner as possible.

The "fat" or "thick" registry model also minimizes the risk to the end user (the SLD holder). The domain information is now stored in the registry database, so should the registrar the SLD holder is operating with goes out of business, then the SLD holder domain information is secured with the Registry, where they can transfer the domain to another operational registrar.

italiandragon




msg:698998
 5:42 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

to forex:

at the moment no one of my domains needs hosting because most of them are just parked and will be sold or developed later.

You are surprised about India? Well then you will shocked when it will be the number 1 or number 2 Country in the world for Internet users.

Do you know that India has 1.1 BILLION of people? Nearly 4 times the USA?

[edited by: Webwork at 10:37 pm (utc) on Mar. 13, 2006]
[edit reason] Let's keep it low key when it comes to plugs for registries [/edit]

ikkyu




msg:698999
 8:25 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

pageone-

I'm assuming that you were responding to my post(if not then disregard). Those rules sound all well and good and *should* prevent what happened to my domains from happening, but it happened. I'm glad that at least I got my renewal fees back. We all slip through the cracks sometimes. Luckily the domains I lost were parked and not really being used, but they were good non-hyphenated keyword .us domains.

webdoctor




msg:699000
 8:53 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

... but was not it better to install another free forum with some options more fast and easy interface to click on it?

More fast?

<boggle>

Do you have any idea how much traffic this site gets [alexa.com]? Which forum software would YOU recommend to run WebmasterWorld with that level of traffic? What hardware would you propose?

Easy interface?

There are plenty of us here who wish we could licence BestBBS [bestbbs.com] for our own sites. Yes, it WOULD be worth the money.

Also, if the number of users & guests browsing the forum at any given time is visible, that's helpful

In what sense is it helpful? To whom?

Personally, I love the lack of gimmicks in BestBBS :-)

forex




msg:699001
 1:51 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

You are surprised about India? Well then you will shocked when it will be the number 1 or number 2 Country in the world for Internet users.

Greater number of webhosting service providers(companies) are based in USA so I was surprised you are an Italian but some your hosting is in India

forex




msg:699002
 1:58 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do you know that India has 1.1 BILLION of people? Nearly 4 times the USA?

I agree but according to information available to me 500 million people (0.5 billion) do not get basic daily food requirement. It's a poor country.
At present USA has 4 times internet users & highest in the world. if I'm correct.

italiandragon




msg:699003
 5:38 am on Mar 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

hey Webdoctor, I`m impressed!

I did not know this site had all that traffic!

Congratulations....

I honestly am out from webmastering ( my old hobby ) and I was not even good, just few pages with HTML.

But once I had a big website, well not big like this one now that you showed me the traffic it gets, but still I had about 1 thousand of unique users everyday and because it was a financial community they were refreshing the forum (blog or bulletin board...I don`t know how you guys in English call it) so much that I had to upgrade hosting just for that.
A friend helped me and with time we tried several.
Mine was just an advice but for sure I know much less than what you know so sorry about that.

[edited by: Webwork at 12:18 pm (utc) on Mar. 15, 2006]

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