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|Beginner's advice on how to go about backordering expiring domains|
Several beginners ask questions
Just started monitoring a couple of .com's that are due to expire this month and wondered:
I used Snap and they ask for a bid - what does this represent? will the domains I want to backorder be visible to other snap user because I added them to the monitoring tool? is there any other way to get an expired domain rathern than to bid for it?
Who are all the major dropcatchers? How many are there? Does anybody have a list?
In importance and efficiency order :
I always backorder in these four. I have not tried tucows yet.
Plus, Godaddy may be usefull if the domain name is registered with them and has been not released to the registry. Otherwise, totally useless. Anyone can beat Godaddy, just by retrying on your preferer registrar during the releasing hours. I've done that.
It seems Godaddy only tries to acquire the domains each several hours, while most drop catchers do it every several seconds due the big amount of partners registrars.
|Godaddy may be usefull if the domain name is registered with them and has been not released to the registry. Otherwise, totally useless. |
Not to give away any trade secrets but GoDaddy plays nicely when one is in the hunt for a domain that has some/certain appeal, perhaps not sufficient to attract much attention, and one would like to increase one's odds of grabbing the domain at the drop for less than Pool's or SnapNames's minimum bid of $60. There are times that I could wait around to attempt a manual grab of a lesser domain but at their pricing for drop catching my time is more valuable applied to other endeavors. So that's one niche they fit nicely.
OTOH, again not to attract to much attention to GD, but recently they did manage to snag a nice 3-letter .com (not theirs originally) and they also grabbed some very nice domains in some of the "lesser" (non-com) extensions. Again, all for their modest fee.
I'm not a big fan of promoting GD, as I think Bob Parsons does an excellent job all by himself, but GD does fit into the domainer's scheme of things . . . but . . please . . don't feel obligated to use their services cough . . cough . . as I really don't need any additional competition in the drop game . . :)
Mr. Webwork : If Godaddy have made those things for your, then you're a lucky guy!
Grab some lotto tickets, don't waste your luck with domain drops ;)
|Snapnames gets all expired domains from networksolutions |
Wow! Never knew all this. Does anyone know where Joker expired domains go? I'm tracking an expired domain registered through Joker that expired 20 days ago. They said that there is a 70 grace period before I can buy it, they didn't say anything about this auctioning stuff.
|Not to give away any trade secrets but GoDaddy plays nicely when one is in the hunt for a domain that has some/certain appeal, perhaps not sufficient to attract much attention, and one would like to increase one's odds of grabbing the domain at the drop for less than Pool's or SnapNames's minimum bid of $60. There are times that I could wait around to attempt a manual grab of a lesser domain but at their pricing for drop catching my time is more valuable applied to other endeavors. So that's one niche they fit nicely |
They have one other positive uniqueness about them. If the domain gets grabbed at the drop by a "taster" who subsequently drops it again after 5 days. GoDaddy is the only dropcatcher I've heard of who manages to pick up these dropping domains. Afaik, the rest are really only concentrating on the drop. Which is already keeping them fully occupied :)
So it maybe worth prepaying for 1 backorder at GoDaddy and continue switching it to other dropping domains until it catches one.
Of course, it's best success backordering at GoDaddy is with it's own registar's domains. The backorder puts you as the first bidder for the domain at TDNAM when it expires. (Although, I personally just wait for it to appear in the TDNAM auction).
Just monitor it yourself, expired domain names get thrown into the same pot as names that have never been registered, but it might take a few months for them to do so after they officially expire according to whois.
I've registered two names that I found out afterwards had been registered before but expired. It made no difference to my purchase.
[edited by: Webwork at 4:10 pm (utc) on April 29, 2006]
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Seems there is a market opening for someone to aggregate all the existing services - one stop shop which selects the correct 'preferred auction partner', registers in multiple places, and is able to increase your bid to your predefined max for you.
When I tried backordering a domain registered at godaddy a few minutes ago (on REDEMPTIONPERIOD, the system informed me that someone has already backorded this domain. So I called godaddy: Sales told that they only allow 1 backorder per domain, as mentioned here a few times, but I can probably get it elsewhere. I also asked for a refund.
Then I came across snapnames by accident and bidded for $80.
I did a few more research and landed on this forum.
Now someone has said that godaddy will only release a domain for auction if 2 or more people are bidding.
So does this mean that I should bid for the same domain at clubdrop or enom to make sure there are at least 2 or more people bidding?
What about TDNAM?
kutsokutso. If the domain is registered with GoDaddy and already backordered at GoDaddy, this is what will happen. When it expires, they will place it for auction at the auction partner tdnam with the backorder being the first bid on the domain. You will then be entitled to make an increased bid on the domain. If it's regged at GoDaddy, it's almost 99.9% certain it'll end up at tdnam and nowhere else. The exact timing this happens is not always clear. So you should search for it at tdnam every day until it appears. Then place your competing bid.
i never tried to catch a domain. So my question may be too basic for you all - where can I see the about-to-expire domains? Is there some service on some web site?
Let me be the voice of dissension on GD.. I found them to be useless..
I back ordered a domain with them, after a long story, they failed to get the domain informed me it was gone, and in the end I got it myself anyway..
It threw up what I think is an insight in to the dirty dealings of the whole domain scene..
The domain after expired gave the name of the new registrant, I contacted them and they knew nothing about it, it would not accept the registration for a while but eventually did.. I got it where GD couldn't..
It looked like that when it became available someone just stuck a name on it, with out even telling the company they said now owned it...
I have noticed this with a few domains, it seems to be taken by someone and then 1 or 2 days later it is switched to one of the big players..
never mind JFK if you are looking for conspiracy, check out the world of domain purchase ;-)
I believe realistically as a business it is sewn up, if it is a sought after domain there is no chance in hell of joe public having a lookin .. if it is a domain which is just of value to an indivdual or 2 then they will play the game to up the price..
Personally I think your best bet is to not contact anyone and hope it goes under the radar, when ever a domain is checked it is noted so try and judge your timing, check infequently as possible and cross your fingers..
Sadly I believe that is the way it has gone..
Big dropcatchers just swallow domains up on account.
I was very lucky, it's a great domain and perfect for me..
I then of course tried to get my money back from GD for being useless lol strangely there was a clause that said regardless of success or not my money was theirs.. now that's what we are now dealing with...
Successfully got a domain name that I was watching and seeking when it became avail. on behalf of a client.
This thread was helpful. Thank you everyone. Now I wanted to post some of the experience.
Redemption period lasted longer than 30 or 45 days. Pending delete was a full 5 days.
I registered with major dropcatchers mentioned here. Snap.... was the one that got the domain for me.
In the end, I wonder if I could have snagged it when the reggie expired but for the mere $60.00, the client was thrilled to have it finally. She cried tears of joy in fact, since she had *already* changed her company name to this domain name PRIOR to getting the domain name....which had been held by <snip>
It has been an interesting and wild ride. Good luck and do your homework.
[edited by: Webwork at 7:18 pm (utc) on June 1, 2006]
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Always nice to read about people benefiting from the efforts of the membership to inform and educate.
Thanks, Tim, for passing along the story of your success.
Lobo, although I agree with your overall sentiment regarding GD ability to grab dropping domains, we (at least me) were pointing out advantages they have in certain specific circumstances, like "tasted" domains which are subsequently dropped, and GD regged domains with GD backorders on them.
I've commented several times on this thread about GD not getting me the expired domain that I had backordered, even though they were the ones releasing the name.
Good news, - I kept the backorder "on", and a little over a week later (after they had informed me that they had not gotten the domain), they e-mailed me to tell me that they had, in fact, registered the name for me. Apparently, as Stu2 has noted several times, they aquired the domain after a "taster" had registered it hoping for type-in traffic, and as it got none, had let it go. So, I ended up getting it through the backordering system at GD after all!
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A related story .... There have been 4 unusual names that has been availabale for over a year. I usually check them a couple of times a month. They have always been available, as they are a very unusual and different two word combo domain names. One of them was very good. The last time I checked their availability was a couple of weeks ago, and I checked them all on one particular registrar (I probably typed them in four or five times each, as I was brainstorming on different word combinations). Well .. I would never have believed this if it hadn't happened to me .... last night all of the domains and their combinations showed up as registered by one particular company and pointing to a paid-link landing page. There is absolutely NO WAY anyone could have "just happened" to register those 4 TOTALLY unrelated domain and combinations thereof, unless they were somehow monitoring domain names people were checking, and cherry-picking the best ones. Like I said, I would never have believed it if it hadn't happened to me, and the domain names hadn't had been so totally different. So a piece of advice from someone who has registered several hundred domain names, don't repeatedly check domain names unless you are ready to buy them at that moment, and don't go to all the expired name "catchers" just to see if anyone else has already reserved that name unless you are planning on getting it yourself immediately!
[edited by: Webwork at 2:54 pm (utc) on June 4, 2006]
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Good advice Rx. Never use any online whois of any kind, coz you never know what they might do with your whois queries. OK, some companies are probably more reputable than others, but their ToS almost certainly states they can do whatever they like with your whois search information.
As an aside, I have had at least one experience proving that it is all a coincidence. However, I'm sure this was not the case in your example.
I can't understand why you would continue to monitor 4 unregged domains without registering them. To prove a point, maybe?
Back to GD backordering... So, they do work? :) Also, the domains you backordered at GD were regged at GD? I would say it's almost impossible not to get those domains unless you lost the auction at tdnam. (Of course there will always be exceptions). :)
Stu - I have limited myself on registering new domains - it is like an addiction. I'm not registering any more until I get rid of a few in my porfolio. I know, stupid of me to not to go ahead and register the one that I really wanted, but I've got to draw a line somewhere. I could probably find a few domains I want to register every day ... if I let myself.
Yep ... there have been two or three domains that I had a backorder on, and didn't get the domain, even though GD was the original register. However, I didn't get the backorder in until the domains were already either in the redemption period or pending delete, and I know at least one of them was already showing up on ENOMs club drop when I put the backorder in on it. The one I did get was picked up by a taster, and GD got it when the taster let it go. I've got a couple more backorders in, so to cover all my bases.
This has been a very informative thread!
Yes, informative AND lucrative indeed.
Try Pool too
<Re: Mssg #45, 4 unusual names registered:> I had this happen with a domain name as well, and I assume it was the registrar that did it. (private registration so cannot tell). Running through a bunch of combinations of names, and I checked a certain domain and it was available. I go back 2 days later when I decide it would work for my needs, and it was taken. The landing page is now a parked page with that registrar. Could very well just be coincidence, but I no longer check domains through that registrar.
[edited by: Webwork at 11:40 pm (utc) on June 8, 2006]
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Kendel - That is EXACTLY the scenario in my case. The same registrar that I was checking the domains with now hosts the "parked" pages that "someone" registered (registered through this same registrar, by the way). The WHOIS info for all 4 of the domain names that were registered indicates it was a private registration" through "DomainsByProxy", or something like that! Is this the same for you?
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