Stefan
msg:700133 | 2:00 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Sorry if I'm missing something, but aren't those just doorway domains? I can't see it being terrifically effective, and even worse, it might flag the whole works as dodgy.
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minnapple
msg:700134 | 4:03 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
I have clients that have longer domain names that give a shorter versions over the phone that direct callers to the original domain.
This is a good offline use of a redirect.
These domains are no spider no follow. I have client's that had multiple domains pointing to the same site. We have needed to take severe actions to clean up problems associated with this. Some could not be resolved and are still haunted with the problem. In some cases a redirect is ok, if the domain being redirected itself, has some merit and standing on it's own.
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uhzoomzip
msg:700135 | 6:15 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
It is absolutely increasing clicks through on google adwords. It almost doubled click through on my test. I have split tested the old which did very well but with the more specific domain name it has almost doubled as I mentioned. It seems sort of dumb to get penalized if I 301 redirect a domain name to a specific part of my site as long as I have not promoted it under a different domain name (for instance getting linked from other sites to "industryspecific-widgets.com/bluewidgets&50results.php" as well as [bluewidgets.com")...]
and even in this case it seems ridiculous if the domain name is a valid domain for the content (products) that specific department on the site sells. If the site was going to be marked ad "dodgy" because of that it seems that google should be marked as "dodgy" for having their parking program and allowing adwords to show up on those ultra spammy parking pages. It is targeted traffic and why shouldn't my website benefit from targeted traffic from a specific domain or otherwise. No-one is being tricked into coming to my website. Is that really wrong? I mean I could 301 redirect those domain names at any site and would that make the other person's site "dodgy"? I don't get why this would be a problem. [edited by: uhzoomzip at 6:21 am (utc) on Mar. 1, 2006]
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uhzoomzip
msg:700136 | 6:20 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
"In some cases a redirect is ok, if the domain being redirected itself, has some merit and standing on it's own." Can you give an example of what you are talking about and how it would be ok?
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Webwork
msg:700137 | 6:52 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Try searching GoogleGuy and redirects. That may be as close as you will come to finding anything approaching an authoratative answer. The 2 gentlemen who just posted are pretty well versed in matters SEO in my book. Show them their props and you just might get a leg up. Ultimately, you don't run your experiment on your actual site. You employ lots of throw away domains and servers and other resources to perform your realtime testing of search engines and then apply that hard earned knowledge to your money makers. You sound like a candidate to attend a PubCon. Do it and you will understand why they are so popular.
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uhzoomzip
msg:700138 | 7:01 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Hey Webwork. I am totally not trying to disrespect anyone at all. I am just trying to get all opinions / input and throw this idea out there. I did a search on webmasterworld on doorway domains and found this thread which seems to support my theory that 301 redirects of the nature described are ok: [webmasterworld.com...] It is however from 2004 and maybe things have changed. I will certainly take a look at googleguy's posts about redirects and my respect to all seniors and moderators here at webmasterworld. This is an amazing forum and I have benefitted greatly from tons of great advice. The largest benefit seems to come from the clickthrough on google adwords. PS thanks for the recommendation. I would like to attend pubcon but will have to wait for the next one as I will be making a major move around that time.
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Stefan
msg:700139 | 2:31 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| I am totally not trying to disrespect anyone at all. |
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No worries, man. As suggested above, it might be best to experiment on test sites first, rather than taking a chance on bringing down your main site if things don't go as planned.
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uhzoomzip
msg:700140 | 3:27 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
what if I have already 301'd a couple of domains to my regular site? Isn't a 301 supposed to be permanent? Won't google say "hey wait a minute" if I change it? Thanks for the suggestions. I am now thinking of how I can make the throw away domain suggestions actually work without going too crazy. :)
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Webwork
msg:700141 | 4:06 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| What if I have already 301'd a couple of domains to my regular site? |
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It hasn't been a problem for me. YMMV. In theory, penalties should only apply if your actions were designed with the intent to game the SEs. 301s have legitimate reasons and a per se penalty would do unwarranted harm, likely on a massive scale. Permanent? What's permanent in this world? Ease up on that idea. There's very little that's permanent in the e-world, especailly your website's ranking, so don't build a long term business model around the assumption of search engine love. Now, go play with your new domains and servers. You can even keep your play domains and put them to good use.
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