| 10:56 pm on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Didn't know .com diputes are to be settled in Virgnia.
I wonder if .eu addresses are going to be a hit or if they are going to flop (like .biz for example)
| 11:22 pm on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
What am I missing here? I've been seeing .eu for a long time, most often those domains from Ireland.
| 11:51 pm on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
No you haven't. You have seen .ie domains from Ireland, though ;)
| 4:22 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Any word on when the sunrise period officially starts?
| 8:28 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 10:52 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have to question the use of such a suffix anyway ..as an EU citizen the sight of the .eu suffix appended to a domain name would certainly give me no additional cause to click on it as opposed to my motivation to click on a dot com , net etc ..
In fact I would actually be less inclined to "visit" as the chances are that the landing page language would be incomprehensible to me inspite of the fact that I can read reasonably well 5 languages ..
We have no standard use language as yet in the EU ( apart from those citizens who use English )...the web is for the most part in English ( and as was pointed out by a mod here recently ..posting is in English only on these fora ..for obvious reasons )..and although that language balance will change with the number of Chinese in particular coming on line in the future .. there certainly will be no "threat" to the predominace of English as the business language of the EU ..However it is not the language of the average citizen surfer ..
The population of Europe has very much less enthusiasm for the whole "european excercise" than than the politicians or civil servants of their respective countries ..( incedentally I am pro EU and pro the current proposed constitution ..having read it in 5 languages ..this is not a thinly disguised peice of anti EU PR ..just a recognition of the unhappy facts ) ...
Plus one is forced to ask .how the citeria for the acceptance of any website as being able to use the .eu suffix will be shaped ..for example in France one must be a registered business ( with the french government ) with all the costs that that entails to use a .fr..whereas in the Uk it is not necessary to be a business to use the .uk ..
If it is to be open to any one ..it will have "zero street cred" within the EU within 12 months ..as citizens who thought that made it in cornformity with their local country suffix laws ..learn otherwise ..In a similar way to the dot org situation ..we all know the "special" requirements we are required to read to register dot orgs ..we all know also that there are thousands and thousands that are pure profit making operations who either are masquerading as otherwise ..as "come ons" or to avoid local tax legislations ..or because the owners wanted the domain name and the dot com and dot net were gone ..but are still using it to sell "v**gra" etc ...and no sanctions are applied via the internet name authorities without actual complaints ..even then!
The coming existence of an .eu appears to be the result of a wishlist by politicians etc here in the EU..without reference to the fact that we actually have no real common cultural or legislative references between our member countries ..
The proposed constitution would not change the disparity between the requirements of countries to the rights to use the various individual country suffixes ..and therefore as such the widespread adoption of the .eu ( it is mentioned absolutely nowhere in the proposed constitution ..and is not covered by any currently "pan european law" ) by european businesses and websites is probably unworkable ..or at best will last until the first major cross EU border online scam ..and then the average EU citizen surfer will avoid it as suspect ..
edited more than once :)for speeling and clarity ..was doing something else at the same time as posting ..;)..multi-tasking isn't my strong point today
[edited by: tedster at 3:31 pm (utc) on April 23, 2005]
| 3:40 pm on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Any word on when the sunrise period officially starts?
March - preparation and translation of regulations will begin
June - accreditation of .eu registrars
September - those holding prior rights to a name (trademarks) can register during a 'sunrise period'
November -.eu Domainnames will be available
It is not confirmed yet but I expect ownership to be limited to EU organisations, companies and individuals
| 3:55 pm on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|expect ownership to be limited to EU organisations, companies and individuals |
all 400 million of us ..plus those from anywhere outside the EU who spend £100.oo or so and get themselves a UK ltd company and therefore qualify as EU member state businesses ..
The whole world in effect ...
| 4:42 pm on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Didn't know .com diputes are to be settled in Virgnia. |
Yep, I live 10 minutes from where Network Solution's building is and it is in my County where the disputes are settled.
A little known fact is that the small town of Herndon, VA actually had more internet startups than Silicon Valley did. Except ours didn't all burst. Its actually only a few miles from Washington D.C. so there is a LOT of government work done here.
| 5:24 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Just my little grain of salt.
I don't think .eu will be worth anything. The only extentions that have any value in my opinion are .com, .net and .org in that following order.
.com is by far the best and only extention to have for a serious and credible domain name.
| 7:09 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have to disagree.
.eu is short, looks better than some alternatives (e.g. .co.uk) and represents an expanding and already very powerful economic group.
compare this to .net which is just the alternative to the .com
I know it was .net was not supposed to be that, but it is - bring on the .eu I say
| 7:18 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
.eu sounds like a fine TLD for wine, cheese and travel related sites.
The various languages will be no more a barrier than they were already.
| 8:57 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|The various languages will be no more a barrier than they were already. |
Sure ..but under the .eu suffix you won't know what the language is until you hit the site ..before you at least had an idea by looking at the suffix ..
Plus ..under the current .fr for example you know that you are buying something from a business ( lets call it "Marcel Dupont"-"wine exporters" )his company can be traced and via the lookup system for "sirets" ( french business registry ) you can see how long it has been trading ..profit and loss accounts and so on ..basically you can get some idea of him and so would you trust them with an order ..or your credit card number and details .
Under the proposed .eu suffix ..the neighbour of Marcel ( lets call him Pierre Malin ..vin en vrac..( sneaky Pete's bulk winery is an approximate translation for you )..can claim to be selling "Borgeuil" ...but actually sell you junk wine from out of his garage or the trunk of his car ..( that is if he actually has any goods to sell and it's not a scam from "debut" to "fin" ) ..and you will have no way to know if he just got out of jail for mail fraud ...
But both he and Marcel will have the right to the suffix ..as will Larryhatch if as I pointed out he registers a UK limited company and then sells pictures of "flying crockery from Cherbourg" ( but actually from hanger 19 in Arizona ;)as opposed to "Porcelain de Paris"...made in Limoges..
"Joe six pack" ..surfer from Seattle will not be able to know the difference between any of them ( but he will assume they are all in Europe ..wrongly )...and Joe can even have a .eu of his own for £100.oo and never leave his couch in Seattle ..
It isn't gonna be like a .us ..
BTW ..In the EU we do more than Wine , Cheese and Travel ;)
..As I already mentioned ..I don't know if the other countries in the EU are going to require actual physical "residence" of the registrant to be in the EU or not ..But the UK won't ask for it ...
| 9:28 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I was joshing with the wine and cheese stuff, and forgot about sausages.
The infamous Hangar 19 (if it exists at all) is #18 in Ohio BTW.
I used to buy Yosemite Road red vino by the gallon here in California
back in college days, decades ago. I don't see how a .fr or .it TLD
prevents any of that, but it is nice to know if you are going to
get a face full of French or Dutch in advance.
I can slowly read Spanish and French; plus Portuguese and Italian
even more slowly, but anything East of that totally escapes me.
I agree that .eu would make more sense if restricted to sites based in Europe. -Larry
| 9:47 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Bonjour Larryhatch ;)..
heh Heh .."soucoups" was too much for me to resist ..
Actually the .fr helps with relation to wine because the restrictions on who can have a .fr are very draconian ..and the restrictions on who can trade wine directly out of France are even more so ..
Not totally "crook" or "foolproof" but better than the dogs breakfast that the proposed .eu will be.
Also if the sale of this suffix is restricted to just European domaine name sellers ( Dont' know yet? )..that will make "g*ndi" the worlds biggest in no time at all ..and they already allow anonymous registration ( they don't say as much unlike "g*d*ddy" ..but I have seen D*sney characters and profanities listed as dom' owners in the whois for doms registered via them ) ...
That would make it even harder to know who or what you were dealing with on a .eu domain ..
On a different note ..if as in the article cited at top the pre-selling of .eu hasn't yet begun ..does that mean that any dom registrar currently offering pre-selling or "reserving" of .eu's is scamming and guilty of mail fraud? ..or it's equivalent in your /their juristiction?
| 10:52 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Oh Leosghost, I forgot something.
The gallon of Yosemite Road red wine cost $3.00, about 1 quid, 1s 8d in 1965.
Make that 1 pound 3 shillings bottom line including sales tax. -LH
| 3:33 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
.eu is a little bit silly.
It's not even as meaningful as .su - I'd love to get myself a piece of Soviet cyberspace - since at least then you knew that the domain owners would speak Russian as a second language.
With .eu the second language of the domain owner might be German, French or even Italian. (Hello Slovenia!)
I imagine it will used mainly by European Union institutions.
| 4:56 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Actually the biggest losers in the .eu thing will be the highly restricted cctld domains where getting a .cctld is encumbered with paperwork and substantive connective issues. The cost factor (a .ie costs about €50 Euros wholesale here in Ireland) will play a big part in the viability of .eu as a people friendly domain. Personal registrations are rare in these restricted cctlds and a .eu would provide the right attractiveness of a geographical domain as opposed to a more indistinct .com.