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bonzodog

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Msg#: 1788 posted 4:32 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have had an argument with a client of mine who is refusing to accept that the sublevel domain (.uk.com) doesnt have the same attraction for the search engines as genuine TLD's , I have always been lead to believe that this is the case, But this guy is a pain in the proverbials and wants proof . Can anyone clarify or provide me with this.. Or of course prove me wrong.

 

cabbie

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 4:02 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

you are right but he if he won't believe you he is hardly going to listen to me.

aeomac

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 1:55 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a similar argument with clients - in my case i have a base URL and offer them URLs with different names such as thiername.baseurl.org

they usually complain - so here is my response:
" Most people use search engines to find out where they are going on the internet, OR they find you linked from another website. unless you have a specific marketing campaign with a specific trademark its really not important what your URL is. Google and other search engines are going to index your website and people will find you through a search engine. What you shuold be worrying about is providing useful content..." something to that effect...its early and i have not finished my coffee good luck =)

Edwin

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 10:22 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

The issue with both .uk.com domains and widget.example.com domains is that you're essentially held hostage to the owner of the base domain (uk.com or example.com).

If they don't renew the domain or for some reason decide they don't want to be in the subdomaining game any more, your hard-earned traffic just went out the window.

Similarly, somebody spamming a link going to sitea.example.com *could* endanger everyone else under *.example.com since from the point of view of a lot of spam detection SW subdomains are all bundled together - not to mention that the Registrar may suspend the root (example.com) domain for spamming.

Neither of the above apply when you buy a "real" domain such as example.com or example.co.uk - the actions of others can't hurt you (unless they put your domain in their spam, of course) and so long as YOU keep renewing the domain, it should remain yours.

Chicken Juggler



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 10:35 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

domain.uk.com is not the same as subdomain.domain.com. UK.com is a TLD is it not.

Edwin

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 4:08 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

No, uk.com is not a TLD. As you'll see from their front page: "CentralNic provides a wide range of alternative domain names."

The keyword in the above is "alternative" which I suppose would contrast with "ICANN approved, globally recognized"

Again, from their Domain Name page: "CentralNic's domains provide an alternative to the existing Top Level Domains (TLDs) and Country Code Top Level Domains (ccTLDs), allowing the creation of a simultaneously local and global Internet Identity."

So my points earlier in this thread remain 100% valid.

Chicken Juggler



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 2:57 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry I had no idea. I do still believe that site.uk.com and subdomain.domain.com are different. centralnic is not your average domain owner. How did they get all those 2 letter .com's anyhow. They have a bunch.

bonzodog

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 3:04 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

he got them because he is smarter than the average bear and bought them all early on, I wish I knew then what I know now then I could sell pretend TLDS for a small fortune

ritch_b

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 3:17 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

UK.com is a TLD is it not.

As mentioned previously, .UK.COM is not a TLD. CentralNic have aquired a large number of country specific domains, ie. UK.COM, EU.COM, FR.COM, etc. and are simply reselling subdomains.

If you were to purchase WIDGET.COM, you're effectively buying a lease for that genuine domain name from the ICANN acredited Registrar.

If you were to purchase WIDGET.UK.COM, you're only buying the right to use a newly created subdomain of the WWW.UK.COM domain from CentralNic. No ICANN registrar is involved because there is no new domain to purchase.

The domains offered through new.net are 'alternative' domains, those from CentralNic are simply subdomains. They're relatively high profile subdomains - and highly profitable for CentralNic - but still subdomains.

As for whether these subdomains are treated differently to 'real' domains, I've no idea - although I've seen the point discussed in threads here before.

R.

Edwin

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 4:04 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

The beauty of the CentralNIC system (apart from its ability to sow confusion as to exactly what people are buying) is that it should cost the company almost literally NOTHING to create a new CentralNIC-powered subdomain. They don't have an organisation to whom they have to remit $6 per domain registration, as is the case for .com/net/org.

Instead all they have to do is create the new subdomain and set up any redirects etc., all of which can be 100% automated and probably costs under $0.25 to process. Contrast that with their price of 65 pounds ($120) per two years and the profit margins are probably 95-98% after payment processing fees!

bonzodog

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1788 posted 4:22 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

exactly ,
I bet you wish you knew what he knew back then .. we would all be raking it in for doing very little indeed.:)

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