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msg:679051
 6:57 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

In a thread from 2002 (http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum24/359-2-15.htm),
Volatilegx said this about cloaking for Google:

"The primary reason I don't recommend cloaking to Google, is that even if you are not penalized, it doesn't do much good. Since pagerank is the primary factor in obtaining a decent ranking for your chosen keywords, the doorway page technique that cloaking proponents usually use is not very effective.

With the rise of Google, cloaking is just not as necessary as it used to be in SEO. I would say it's more of a usability issue now, and that the future of cloaking will be to provide content customized for various browsers, platforms, etc."

I'm curious as to whether this still is the case? It would seem to be a redundant technique for ranking purposes to get tons of links to a shadow domain to rank for your main site. Why not just get tons of links to your main site?

Or is there some kind of benefit from an anchor text standpoint?

I guess it could be argued that if you have hundreds of shadow domains on seperate IPs then they pass some good page rank. On the other hand, you don't need to cloak to make these kinds of 'link farms'.

I guess my question is not does cloaking work, but Why Does It Work.

 

Philosopher




msg:679052
 7:48 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, cloaking can work. It's simply that it's by no means a magic bullet. You have to have the off-page factors right to rank...period. However, if you have the off-page factors right, there still may be on-the-page criteria that is a hinderance to ranking well. That's where cloaking can come into play and be very beneficial.

For instance...Graphic intensive sites and Flash intensive sites could both have difficulties ranking due to a lack of indexable content.

Cloaking isn't dead. It's simply that the type of cloaking that Volatilegx was talking about isn't very effective anymore.

volatilegx




msg:679053
 2:17 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

The doorway page technique isn't as effective as it once was, but there are other reasons to cloak as well. You may not want your competitors to know your cross-site linking structure, for instance.

I am still seeing successes in Google and other engines for cloaked pages, so it is not really as obsolete as many people think though.

GlynMusica




msg:679054
 12:59 pm on Jun 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

The terms cloaking has changed a bit. Back in the days it was a term assigned to a script that would serve content depending on the IP address (secure) or User Agent Referrer (not secure).

Cloakers could get caught out by simply missing a new IP of one of the search engines. If your IP lists got out of date it was very risky.
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Fast forward to 2005 and most people browsing have Javascript enabled browsers. Consider that you can put the same cloaked content on a page that is part of your live site and the user will not know any different. Not only that, you don't need to keep you eyes peeled for a shadow spider coming along masked as IE. All in all, far easier.

As to how good the engines are at spotting this is their constant battle. In fact the best solution that they have come up with is "the sandbox". Or, in other words, they're not going to beat hidden text any time soon - there are just too many possibilities.

So, cloaking has become the definition of before, plus hidden text.

In terms of who is doing it I heard the phrase "grey hat" come into play in an article the other day. That's those people that use a bit of "black hat" with the selling charm of "white hat".

Glynmusica

volatilegx




msg:679055
 6:57 pm on Jun 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

JavaScript based cloaking is not actually cloaking at all. Any halfway intelligent surfer can view the source of the page to get the html code if it is "JavaScript cloaked".

True cloaking is server-side, meaning the "optimized" content is never served to a human visitor at all, so there is no chance of them viewing it.

GlynMusica




msg:679056
 7:09 am on Jun 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Obviously.

Essentially through as the spider and the user are seeing different pages it is a type of cloaking. Actually SEO industry knows this but they keep churning out the definition about cloaking because its convenient.

I think the terms "cloaking" should be brought in to line with what a large part of the industry is doing. Too many times friends of mine have been approached by companies that say "we do not cloak" but essentially the only difference is that they "hide text" where a cloaker simply hides the text more absolutely.

Sure a cloak is more water tight until either you get a new spider IP visiting, or your cloak evaluates incorrectly a visitor and serves your non cloaked page to a search engine, instead of the cloaked content.

Your average internet user also might know how to switch off Javascript, or disable various browser functions. But your average internet isn't looking for cloaked content. This is one of the big mistakes people make working in SEO/Programming - the level of internet savvy of the average user.

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