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Cloaking Detection
Finding out if a page has cloaked words
CygnusX1




msg:676884
 5:43 pm on Sep 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Everyone,

Most of the SEO work I do is for webmasters that have already built the website, or the Webmaster is hosting a website that has already been built by someone else.

Sometimes I wonder if the original Webmaster of a webpage was using cloaking techniques on a web page that I don't know about.

Is there a tool out there that you can type in the web-address to see if cloaking methods are being used?

 

volatilegx




msg:676885
 11:31 pm on Sep 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

You could try looking in the Google cache to see if it matches the content of the website.

Pass the Dutchie




msg:676886
 3:10 pm on Sep 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

You could try looking in the Google cache to see if it matches the content of the website.

Tried that before as I had my suspicion that a particular site was cloaking. When I checked Google cache it showed a blank white page hmmmm. Then I clicked "This cached page may reference images which are no longer available. Click here for the cached text only."

Blinggggg hidden text revealed.

ukgimp




msg:676887
 3:12 pm on Sep 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

dont give up on the first attempt, there are other places that cached pages appear and sometimes they have forgotten about them

CygnusX1




msg:676888
 10:39 pm on Sep 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just thought there maybe a tool of some kind that would show cloaked text on webpages.

Dreamquick




msg:676889
 11:22 pm on Sep 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

If it was that simple to detect cloaking then it would defeat the whole point of cloaking...

Assuming someone knows what they are doing when it comes to cloaking then you shouldn't be able to detect it at all - the suggestions laid out here all rely on errors on the part of the cloaker allowing you to detect them.

- Tony

volatilegx




msg:676890
 11:35 pm on Sep 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tony is right. The only way to tell if somebody is cloaking (when done right) is to look at the SERPs and see if the title is the same as that on the web page and if the snippet of text exists on the web page. Even that isn't 100% accurate.

There is no foolproof way to access the html shown to search engines. Every method I've ever seen to access the optimized html has been protected against by most commercial cloaking software packages.

davidof




msg:676891
 11:06 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

> There is no foolproof way to access the html shown to search engines. Every method I've ever seen to access the optimized html has been protected against by most commercial cloaking software packages.

Huh? Just connect to the site giving googlebot as the User Agent and you will see the page that the site serves up to google. Have you got the URL of the cloaked site? cURL will let you do this.

edit_g




msg:676892
 11:23 pm on Sep 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just connect to the site giving googlebot as the User Agent and you will see the page that the site serves up to google.

Most cloaking software will cloak by IP address rather than by user agent for this very reason.

davidof




msg:676893
 8:13 am on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok but is that very effective? If I were, say Google, I would randomize the IP addresses used by my robots.

Anyway thanks for the response, it would be interesting to get the URLs of the site when people post so we could take a look ourselves.

edit_g




msg:676894
 9:24 am on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok but is that very effective? If I were, say Google, I would randomize the IP addresses used by my robots.

Yup, it's very effective when used in conjunction with user agent detection. Google only have so many IP addresses - and the ones they crawl from do change, but good cloaking software updates IP ranges as Google does.

I've never used cloaking software though - I'm sure that there's other stuff that goes into it as well - a lot of people around here could jump in and explain it and if you look at the library of this forum you'll find that some people already have.

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