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cayenne




msg:675652
 9:29 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I am new to this particlar forum, but was wondering if someone could help me out.

I am a webmaster for a b2b site that has a very valuable domain name. Our site is hosted and run under a contract by another firm. Actually, our site is a subdomain at this firm.

Because we have such a valuable domain name, we use a well known reputable DNS management company to redirect (web-forward)any requests for valuablename.com to valuablename.hostingfirm.com.

Our DNS management company offers a cloaking option which we use so that valuablename.com appears instead of the long name valuablename.hostingfirm.com in the address line of browsers.

Although the HTML is much shorter on the cloaked page, the META tags, description , etc. of the cloaked page are very relevant to our product, with no intent to mislead. If we were hosting the site on our own servers, we would be using the exact same META tags, Tittle , etc. as the cloaked page.

In fact, I have been told by SEOs that the valuablename.hostingfirm.com page would fare better for the purpose of search engine placement than the cloaked page.

This is the only cloaked page (and page, for that matter)redirecting to our site. We submitted valuablename.com to Google, etc. We have not submitted the site to SEs under any other url other than valuablename.com

Is this considered ethical since we are not trying to spam?

Is this ok with SEs?

Thanks,

cayenne

 

trillianjedi




msg:675653
 9:38 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Because we have such a valuable domain name, we use a well known reputable DNS management company to redirect (web-forward)any requests for valuablename.com to valuablename.hostingfirm.com.

Why? Is this a contractual arrangement?

Our DNS management company offers a cloaking option which we use so that valuablename.com appears instead of the long name valuablename.hostingfirm.com in the address line of browsers.

This is framed forwarding, and isn't really a good idea for SEO purposes.

Although the HTML is much shorter on the cloaked page, the META tags, description , etc. of the cloaked page are very relevant to our product, with no intent to mislead.

Fair enough - but there is no content on the cloaked page, just a framed version of your actual page.

If we were hosting the site on our own servers, we would be using the exact same META tags, Tittle , etc. as the cloaked page.

Why aren't you?

In fact, I have been told by SEOs that the valuablename.hostingfirm.com page would fare better for the purpose of search engine placement than the cloaked page.

At the moment in google it's an advantage to have keywords in your URL, but that could be in a folder or your own subdomain, eg:-

keyword.valuablename.com

or

valuablename.com/keyword/

There is no advantage to you, really. Unless "hostingfirm" is a trademarked keyword and you have no other way of legally using it in your URL.

This is the only cloaked page (and page, for that matter)redirecting to our site. We submitted valuablename.com to Google, etc. We have not submitted the site to SEs under any other url other than valuablename.com

Is this considered ethical since we are not trying to spam?

Yes, it's ethical.

Is this ok with SEs?

It's ethical, but it's really not good SEO.

TJ

volatilegx




msg:675654
 8:26 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's a better solution.

Leave your site as is, ie: valuablename.hostingco.com

Then, set up another website at a low-cost host that allows Mod_Rewrite. Point valuablename.com to this low-cost host. Use Mod_Rewrite to redirect all of your traffic to valuablename.hostingco.com.

This way, you get to keep any search engine listings that you might have for your existing site, with the possibility of having the valuablename.com site indexed as well.

The above only applies if your DNS company is actually showing a framed version of your page. If, in fact, they are really providing DNS services, then just stay with them and do nothing...

I don't see any reason why you need to cloak. If somebody can reach you through valuablename.hostingco.com or valuablename.com, what difference does it make?

Dan

cayenne




msg:675655
 10:37 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks trillianjedi & volatilegx.

Our Host came up with a sugestion yesterday that we change our ANAME IP to a virtual domain on their servers pointing valuablename.com to valuablename.hostingcompany.com.

I wonder if we will get to keep our SE rankings since the new indexed page will be different but have the same url?

cayenne

claus




msg:675656
 11:19 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

cayenne, that solution is the proper one (pointing the domain to the IP of the subdomain). The subdomain should not be visible to the general public, it's a host only issue.

I have one domain that is visible as a host subdomain - it's simply the wrong way to do it, and you should not experiment with this; only do it if you have to for some reason (i have a reason, and it's not SEO, as it does nothing good for me SEO-wise).

As the content of your pages will be the same, your listings should not change, unless you have a lot of incoming links to the subdomain version. After making that change, make sure your host implements a 301 redirect from "subdomain" to "domain". That way the SE's will be able to combine the URLs and the incoming links.

>> If somebody can reach you through valuablename.hostingco.com or valuablename.com, what difference does it make?

Links. If people link to both domains, then your PR will be spread, and it might even lead to duplicate listings that each are less valuable than one combined listing. Try searching Google for ESPN and see how they've messed up (look at the green urls).

/claus

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